20 thoughts on “Bars & Melody @Ellen”

  1. What is going on in this world?
    Children promoted as “stars”
    Talking like … talking like, I don’t know what …
    “Hey! This kid can sing!” says one little kid about the other little kid. False does not even begin to describe it.
    And the whole scene stinks of showbiz schmaltz, and not good schmaltz either.

    When these kids feet eventually land back on their local street, as they are bound to do quite soon as they have no real exceptional talent, what are they going to do with the rest of their lives?

    The whole thing is pretty sordid.

    1. @Jack
      I gave my comment on the last post these two were featured on so my thoughts are already quite plain. I almost agree with you entirely. I’m not a fan of under-16’s being in such a show for a variety of reasons and agree these two have ‘no exceptional talent’. They will get so far on the ‘cute’ factor but that will be it. I did like the anti-bullying message though and hope they do well in life, but doubt very much it will be in the music industry.

      1. Yes, the anti-bullying message was a positive, but again, I wonder how many will pay attention to it apart from adults like ourselves who it was not aimed at?
        I do sincerely hope they will do well in life, they are both obviously very confident young boys and this should bode well for their future.
        I initially did enjoy such acts for a short while when they were few and far between but now, acts like these boys appear so often that it has a feeling of “exploitation” about it all.
        Fair enough, if the boys and their parents/guardians are happy with that, but as I mentioned the return to earth touchdown might prove very hurtful for the poor lads. (And especially if they have to go back to a local school when it is all over. Schoolmates can be cruel.)

  2. Wooow you won the drama queen award. “what are they going to do with the rest of their lives?” Exactly the same as always… Even without a special talent we live our lives normally, its not the finish of their lifes dont be like that.

    1. Hi Mufin, Thanks for your point of view though I don’t quite agree with it. How can two kids of that age live the rest of their lives “exactly the same as always”? You are speaking for yourself when you say “even without a special talent we live our lives normally” and I suspect from that you have never been thrust into the showbiz spotlight, built up as goodness knows what, then just cast aside when the next “cute” act comes along.
      I feel for these children, because they are only children, and I honestly think they are being exploited, put on pedestals, presented to “the world” as something they are truly not. When it is all over, which will be quite soon, they will be sent packing back to their little council estate or wherever they came from and will then have to face the real world they left behind for their 15 minutes.
      I think it is all rather sad, and also very mean in some respects – mean in the fact that your Ellens, your Simons, your “talent shows” will not care two hoots what happens to thos two boys once they have been cast aside for the next “cute” act.
      Just my 2p (OK – it’s kinda long, so maybe 50p) thoughts on some of the things wrong in showbiz today.

      1. Maybe I’m just being too general, but it seems that British teens get way more into the “trendy” stuff than American teens, and I think a lot of them have been swept up in the quest to become “internet famous” on YouTube or Twitter. As a young person who has friends in both places, I really think that teens in the UK are a bit more vein at the moment. Youth culture is just way bigger and more in your face there, probably because it’s so densely populated.

        This kid has a heart of gold. Honestly, most people I know in the US think that British rappers just sound silly, it’s hard to take them seriously. They don’t sound “tough” like most African American rappers do. That being said, I think this kid sounds pretty good for being a white English boy. He could be marginally successful. I don’t know how much longer rap will be mainstream in the UK. It’s already dying out here and being replaced by club music or indy rock.

        1. Praise whatever gods that be if self-promoting, machismo-filled braggardly blowhard rap is dying out.

          1. Hi imnotalone – I would definitely drink to that! I have never, ever understood “self-promoting, machismo-filled braggardly blowhard rap” and I really do wonder at the mentality of customers who pay money for it.
            (I said I wasn’t coming back to this thread but I honestly think “imnotalone”‘s post is a quite different thread to what has gone before.
            I agree with him 10000% (if that was possible) regarding “self-promoting, machismo-filled braggardly blowhard rap” and I sincerely hope it is dying out. At the end of the day, what is it?

    1. I think Greyson Chance wasn’t a product a televised talent contest (not sure about that) but the difference between Greyson Chance and these is the fact he plays the accompanying music. Those that do, I really admire. James Smith is one who could go far because of that.

      1. ❦Well Greyson did pick up a record contract after being seen by Ellen on YouTube then being invited to her show. He being the first client for Ellen’s newly formed label ‘eleveneleven’…Whereas they got powder blue track suit’s an matching kicks so in that regard I’d say they may have just a drop further to go for future fame an fortune. But still A’s for effort and a great message against bullying for those two friends hailing all the way from the great UK. Both seem quite capable of sailing straight even if nothing comes out of it and hopefully that good friendship will remain strong.
        Each and everyone who’s lucky enough should be able to revel in their own 5 minutes of fame, if only for the memories it may afford them.


  3. Nicthalon:

    There are always exceptions. Look at Greyson Chance.

    Exception proves the rule?

    Don’t get me wrong, I’d *love* to see these two boys hit the big time and have a long and successful career in ‘showbiz’.
    BUT, what talent do they have which would truly keep them going in the highly competitive world of entertainment? I’m afraid they will probably go down as a ‘one-hit-wonder’ even if they don’t actually have a hit.
    Anyway, that’s my 50p thoughts definitely finished on this subject as I feel I may be sounding like having a downer on these lads and that could not be further from the truth. Thanks for all discussions.

    1. Don’t sweat it, I’ve had to explain my comments further a few times. It seems to get lost in translation. Furthermore it appears some other cultures believe to criticise is to dislike. Curious.

  4. The ‘singer’ is 15 and the ‘rapper’ is 13.

    Though far from stars at this point, they have a strong anti-bullying message and that, of course, is a good thing, especially for boys in this vulnerable age range.

    I was somewhat disappointed that Ellen didn’t ask the rapper how or why he was bullied, or if he knew why, but that is a minor complaint of the clip.

    Neither of the two seem particularly gay on the surface, but the blond boy seemed to touch the little rapper on the arm repeatedly. No big deal. He is just the touchy/feely type I guess.

    Wish them continued success, such as it is to date.

  5. I have never read such a load of bollocks in my life as those comments above ….
    They are two teenage friends trying to make their way in life and from what i know they have not been ‘pushed’ into this.
    Does it really matter what the resaon was for the bullying ? What the fuck has their sexuality got to do with anything or anyone !
    These two will do good in life with or without BGT and good on Ellen for giving them a a bigger stage to show their talents.

    Go easy on them guys …. I don’t think the video was posted here to rip them to shreds – give them a break – BGT did !

    1. @ jimrat

      ** NEWSFLASH **

      There is a worldwide epidemic of gay teen boy suicides!

      This is ostensibly a website for gay teen boys.

      While I did not explicitly state or suggest that they may have been bullied for this reason, I did ipso facto allude to that possibility and thought perhaps a lesbian like Ellen might have at least explored the cause of the bullying.

      You are apparently thick as a brick and lack any innate ability to reason or discern anything other than that which is mere inches from your nose.

      I’m glad we seldom if ever use the idiotic word bollocks here in the U.S., because it’s definition is very random and scatter-brained, sort of like your comment.

    2. Agreed in the main. Certainly not pushed into anything, looks like they’re having fun, and sexuality is irrelevant. Bullying is abhorrent in any of its forms and shouldn’t be tolerated. Even if they don’t ‘go far’ they have already achieved more than most and have something they can look back on with pride for the rest of their lives.

      My only disagreement is the ‘rip them to shreds’ which I don’t think was anyone’s intent. Your words do make my point about the ‘cute’ or ‘sympathy’ vote though which puts adult contestants at a disadvantage.

  6. With the negative comments on hear I wonder what entertainment would be like if these opinions influenced decades of TV, radio and live entertainment. We would not have had the Jackson 5, the Partridge Family, the Brady Bunch, Better Midler, Shirley Temple and countless other child stars. Mny never made it passed puberty. Many went well into adulthood. And some ruined lives. Just like the rest of us.

    Take these two boys for what they are. The young one, Leondre(sp?) is VERY charismatic. He is very expressive and knows how to get attention. Charlie is quiet but very present. Together they found something they have in common. And even if they are not the best performers, they are doing better things than a lot of other kids their age.

    Sorry they are not Asian twinks. Sorry they are not provocative. But they have caught the attention of the entertainment world if even only for a moment. But if they earn a little towards a college education or spending cash, good for them. Just as long as they don’t turn into a Justin Beiber I am supportive.

    Oh yeah, decisions about being in competitions and on TV are where parents should step in. If it is not right, that have the option to not allow it. Oh yeah, forgot. We don’t allow or expect parents to make decisions for their kids anymore. That is usually up to others.

    1. @George
      What would entertainment be like without the Partridge Family or the Brady Bunch? Better? Seriously though, how many of those you named made their names through one-off appearances on televised talent shows. That is the difference.


  7. george:

    With the negative comments on hear I wonder what entertainment would be like if these opinions influenced decades of TV, radio and live entertainment. We would not have had the Jackson 5, the Partridge Family, the Brady Bunch, Better Midler, Shirley Temple and countless other child stars. Mny never made it passed puberty. Many went well into adulthood. And some ruined lives. Just like the rest of us.
    Take these two boys for what they are. The young one, Leondre(sp?) is VERY charismatic. He is very expressive and knows how to get attention. Charlie is quiet but very present. Together they found something they have in common. And even if they are not the best performers, they are doing better things than a lot of other kids their age.
    Sorry they are not Asian twinks. Sorry they are not provocative. But they have caught the attention of the entertainment world if even only for a moment. But if they earn a little towards a college education or spending cash, good for them. Just as long as they don’t turn into a Justin Beiber I am supportive.
    Oh yeah, decisions about being in competitions and on TV are where parents should step in. If it is not right, that have the option to not allow it. Oh yeah, forgot. We don’t allow or expect parents to make decisions for their kids anymore. That is usually up to others.

    Totally agree with you george a spot on summary ;-)

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