Brad Manning, a Queer Human Rights Hero

When Glenn Greenwald called the American detainment of Army Pvt. Bradley Manning, the accused WikiLeaks source, "torture," the Pentagon promptly responded that claim was ridiculous. But David House’s visit to the Virginia Marine brig where Manning is being held reveals Greenwald’s assertions are pretty spot on: Not only are the claims of being limited to news reports accurate (Manning says he’s not allowed to read newspapers, which seems to be the least of his problems), but his 23 hours of confinement are relaxed during his single hour of daily "exercise" (walking around in a room by himself), and his sleeping conditions (he must wear boxers only, and his blankets have the texture of carpet and the weight of X-ray protective aprons) noxious. House, a friend of Manning, concludes he "is subjected to restrictions far beyond the minimum right of other ‘maximum custody’ prisoners held in the same brig." As House reminds readers, "Manning is in prison for allegedly uncovering human rights abuses in the course of his duty." And now this: The United Nations is investigating Manning’s treatment. [via]

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61 thoughts on “Brad Manning, a Queer Human Rights Hero”

    1. He aught to have known that what he was doing would result in serious penalties AND that military prison is much harsher then even then even the most maximum security federal penitentiary. If he didn’t, he’s a moron.

      I’m getting seriously tired of people in this country doing things that they should damn well know will result in harsh consequences and then whining like a 5 year-old when they’re made to suffer those consequences. If you’re not willing to suffer the consequences of your actions, don’t do those actions in the first place.

      1. In the video, House tells that he had to pry the information about his conditions out of Manning, I hardly think that constitutes whining.

        Also, you’re talking about this like it’s somebody who has been found guilty. (“He aught to have known that what he was doing would result in serious penalties AND that military prison is much harsher then even then even the most maximum security federal penitentiary. If he didn’t, he’s a moron.”) Bradley Manning has not been convicted of anything yet.

        My biggest qualm about this whole Wikileaks thing is U.S. citizens looking at it as a problem for the U.S., as if no other countries had secrets revealed. “American soldiers lives are in danger now!” Really? And they weren’t in danger before the documents were leaked, when they were sent out to police the world in an unjustified, illegally declared war. Even if Manning or Assange DID commit crimes they are still heroes (if Manning was indeed involved), they exposed MILLIONS of crimes committed by the government which the anti-Wikileaks people seem to be completely glossing over or ignoring out-right.

        Transparency between people and their governments are good for the people AND their governments. Period. If you can’t see that then I’m truly sorry for you.

        1. Had the documents he leaked contained anything that was a true atrocity or if that had been his intent, I would be willing to entertain the notion that Manning is a hero.

          He hasn’t though, the one truly horrible thing I’ve seen attributed to him (the video of apache gunship massacre) was already online well before Wikileaks ever got ahold of it. The rest of it was merely embarrassing memos from the white house and military intelligence. He wasn’t exposing any big cover-up or major infraction, he was copying whatever he could get his hands on and stealing it.

          As far as his intent, everything that I’ve seen from both the government and his lawyers indicates that this only intent was to thumb his nose at the government and intelligence community. He was being juvenile, broke military law (which doesn’t work the same as civilian law), and got caught. Now he’s suffering the consequences, boo hoo.

          Manning is NOT a hero. Even if he was doing what he did for altruistic purposes, he broke the law and should expect to be held accountable.

          William Wallace, Gandhi, Schindler, Nelson Mandela, George Washington, Harriet Tubman, Ben Franklin, and many others throughout history have challenged the various authorities of their day to do what they believed was right and correct wrongs. They also ALL knew that if they were caught by those they were opposing they would be jailed, killed, or worse…. and many were. THEY were heros.

          Some kid grabbing as much as he can and saying “see what you can do with this” is not a hero. Had he stumbled across a document proving Bush the lesser knew about 9/11 before it happened and did nothing about it and handed that one document and others relating to it to Wikileaks, THEN he’d be a hero, maybe.

          BTW, reading anything more into what I’m saying then what the words actually say isn’t a good idea. I have never said I’m against Wikileaks or what Assange is doing, I actually think it’s a GOOD idea and have been peeking at the Wikileaks site since it very first began. Depending on what happens with Wikileaks in the future, I might even be willing to add Assange to the list I have above at some point.

          I do think the US government keeps too many secrets, but I don’t think they should be just released carte blanch. There are good reasons for the government to keep some things from becoming general knowledge. The conundrum is finding a RESPONSIBLE way to resolve the catch 22.

          I think Assange is trying to do that, but I don’t think he’s quite succeeded yet.

          1. “Had the documents he leaked contained anything that was a true atrocity or if that had been his intent, I would be willing to entertain the notion that Manning is a hero.”

            You don’t think Hilary Clinton ordering U.S. diplomats to obtain computer passwords, credit cards, emails, family information, etc. from foreign leaders that are our allies is an atrocity? (By the way, that’s a REAL invasion of privacy, unlike the exposing of government CRIMES everyone is somehow upset over.) You don’t think DynCorp assisting in drug trafficking and and child prostitution (funded by tax dollars) is an atrocity? You don’t think oil companies bragging about infiltrating foreign governments is an atrocity? You don’t think the murder of innocent civilians is an atrocity? These are all just embarrassing memos from the white house? I’m not sure I want to know what exactly you think it is that constitutes an atrocity.

            The video “Collateral Murder” was definitely released by Wikileaks, I don’t understand why people keep insisting it wasn’t. Since that’s one of the things Manning is being charged with leaking, maybe it should be dropped since so many people seem to think it’s been around the web since before Wikileaks.

  1. I fail to see how revealing the identities of Afghans secretly collaborating with the U.S., so they can be killed by the Taliban, counts as human rights heroism…

  2. I was an army brat when I grew up, many family members are
    in the military and I have a brother in Afghanistan, so I have a
    very strong opinion on this. Manning should have the book thrown at
    him. He violated his oath, and committed treason. The shame is he
    won’t be executed for endangering the lives of so many
    others.

      1. Part of the definition of treason in the US Constitution (which is the only crime specifically defined in the document) includes giving aid to the enemies of the US government. Whether or not one agrees with what he did, the leaking of hundreds of thousands of pages of classified government and military documents would seem to qualify as providing aid not just to military enemies such as al-qaeda but also to political enemies such as north korea and cuba.

        As for whose lives he’s endangered, that seems to me to be more of a propaganda tool being used by the government to strengthen their case in the court of public opinion. I seriously doubt anyone could create a case for his actions directly resulting in any death that would hold up in a Federal Court.

  3. It seems that the biggest problem the US has with the Wikileaks case, is that it embarrassed them. If you don’t want to be embarrassed, don’t do embarrassing things. Like allowing an Army private access to so much of your dirty laundry.

    Time to get out of Afghanistan and Iraq now. Stop aiding Israel might also help things along. Billions of money that we have to borrow from China go to Israel every year.

  4. Well i was going to go on here and rant than actions have consequences. I mean if you want to protest about the law, be prepared to take the punishment that comes with breaking the law. He’s a disgrace to all other “rats”, like those in the cigarette companies, who broke an agreement and took the punishment they knew they would get. And his crime could actually hurt us more than help….

    Ironic part of all this that I didn’t see touched on is that he is currently being investigated because he raped someone in Sweeden. But someone stole the documents and posted them on WikiLeaks, and his lawyer was arguing that they were improperly stolen! HA!

    @Alan, embarrassing yes, but they also have to set a precedent for national security. They are making an example of him if you ask me. And we are in Iraq and Afganistan because we have done a half ass job there for the past 20 years and by that we have fucked them up worse, so we are trying to finish something we started to not have these people completely fucked when we leave this time.


    1. 17o0o:

      And we are in Iraq and Afganistan because we have done a half ass job there for the past 20 years and by that we have fucked them up worse, so we are trying to finish something we started to not have these people completely fucked when we leave this time.

      Why not try the world war 2 approach?

    2. I believe you’re thinking of two different people. The one who leaked the government info to Wikileaks is the one talked about above, the owner/founder of Wikileaks is the one who’s being investigated for rape.

      Personally, the timing of the rape charges seems a bit convenient. Without a lot of good evidence, I’m disinclined to think they’re anything more then trumped up charges to get back at him for posting all that stuff on the site. But then, he predicted something like this when Wikileaks was first getting started.

  5. Ok, non soft blankets, no newspapers, only 1 hour of exercise? I thought military personal were trained to deal with torture? I guess I am not getting the harsh conditions yet?

    Are they leaving him for hours naked in a cold room while tossing buckets of cold water on him constantly? Are they beating him and breaking bones to make him confess?

    Guess when inhumane is defined as simply lacking pity or compassion, not giving a child a happy meal could be presented as inhumane.

    1. You don’t think solitary confinement for MONTHS so you don’t even know if it’s day or night is a harsh condition? How about trying it some time? See how long YOU can go without deteriorating mental and physical health.

  6. If we are in a declared war, that Congress has declared, then he should be punished. He broke his oath.
    However it should be taken into account why. Every officer and enlisted man is supposed to follow all orders and chain of command unless it is treasonable or clearly inhumane and against our Constitution.. something we tend to push aside in the old Glory of Patriotism. If this is a Republic for and by the People, then the People have a duty to standup against bad government, and bad leadership.

    The war against terrorism is not a war… it is a fight against incursions and an unaffiliated group of people bent on destroying the Western way of life, unlike the Red Menace or the Yellow Peril of the last decade, Communism had a clearly defined set of nations that opposed our Democratic Capitalistic society. The Taliban gave comfort and protection to the enemy, Bin Ladin and the amorphous Al-qaeda , but were not themselves terrorists against the West… they were American supported terrorists against the Soviet Union.
    The Soviet’s claim as we are now to helping modernize and to bring Afghanistan into the 20th century, primarily to control that area. They broke their pick on it, just as we are. This is a black hole of a country traditionally run by feudal warlords and corruption. It bedeviled Alexander the Great and has anyone who has tried to occupy and ‘change it’ ever since.
    The war on terror has given rise to more terrorist groups and sub-groups than existed at the time of 9/11. Iraq was untouched by the radical Wahabis as Iraq was a secular state until America and her half-hearted allies invaded. Once Sunni and Shia began to fight over the vacuum of command, no matter how evil, and Saddam Hussein was evil (his sons worse), terrorism entered and flourishes there.

    You cannot kill an idea no matter how hard you try. The terrorists can spread their poison into the West quite easily through the cover of religion, and unless we want to forego our rights completely, we will have to deal with it one nasty bugger at a time.

    History has shown that wiping out a group whether it be Druids or Thuggee, the hatred that inspires them will not die and will return. We are wasting resources, men and women, along with money we do not have, to correct a society that will inevitably return to its old ways. Our sense of Jeffersonian Democracy does not fit and is not a part of their understanding of life. It can take hold and work but only as they see it. That does not mean our desires will be fulfilled. This is an ancient culture with a strong religious foundation. We will end up looking just as bad as the Soviets in the long run. EVen if we succeed to a degree, our military is bankrupt of men/women, and our diplomatic face is despised. You may not care what the rest of the world thinks, but on that higher levels of international perspective, it is important.

  7. So say if Iran did this to a person then the US would condemn it a s torture, but when the US do it to their own citizens its okay right? Double standards methinks, yay “free” world

    1. You should read up on the actual torture methods used in Iran (on peaceful demonstrators, for example). What you’re doing here is the equivalent of comparing a splinter with a torn-off limb.

  8. When you sign up for the military, you give up your Constitutional rights and fall under the UCMJ guidelines.

    1. Equally, you don’t give up your human rights which you are guaranteed under the Geneva convention. I mean he may have broken the law and he should answer for that but he still deserves his fundamental human rights.

        1. Not being allowed the right to exercise or the right to read or take part in any stimulating mental or physical activity does. Take Mandela, he was kept in the same conditions.

        2. Being in solitary confinement for a period greater than 29 days without repreive, parole, or cessation DOES violate the Geneva conventions, and deprivation of sleep has been defined as torture by the United Nations/States Torture Act, which was ratified by the US Congress.

          Facts are stubborn things.

          1. Facts aren’t stubborn at all, they are true and unwavering.

            He’s not a foreign soldier, he’s a US soldier. Again, UCMJ, and your cited UN Torture Act doesn’t apply.

            If it was illegal, why is he still there?

            1. He is in a country that claims to be part of the free world, yet he’s being treated in an inhuman way; my dog gets more exercise. The fact that we don’t take an arm for an arm any more distinguishes civilised countries from uncivilised countries, compassion towards people who commit crimes leaves the moral high ground with the law, but descending to a level of torture doesn’t. This is why I’m very proud to be European.

            2. All treaties and binding agreements ratified by Congress between nations have the same weight and law as the Constitution itself, which is in the Constitution. The UN torture act was ratified by Congress and the US government is bound by its OWN laws to uphold it.

              The fact that you dont understand that is EXACTLY what I am talking about.

              He is still incarcerated because that is what our government does. It does, whatever it wants, until the Supreme Court tells it not to. No one has brought a suit against the US government YET, on behalf of Bradley Manning, so the Supreme Court has not had its opportunity to rule it on it either way.

              Yes, he did give up his rights under the constitution and be governed by the Uniform Code of Military Justice. It also says nothing in the UCMJ about indefinite solitary confinement in the case of persons suspected for espionage.

              Bradley Manning has had NO FORMAL charges levied against him either by the United States Justice department, The Department of Defense, which is his employer, or the Judge Advocate General.

              You said ” Being in solitary confinement doesn’t violate any geneva conventions or human rights.”

              I said, for any period greater than 29 days consecutively, it does. To which you replied a bunch of strawman fallacious response about the UCMJ.

              You were wrong, I corrected you. Now you know something you didnt before. Any more questions?

              I’ll be here all day.

          2. Indeed facts are stubborn things.

            For instance, the video above says he’s only being kept awake from 5AM to 8PM (pause it at time-stamp 1:18) , that’s a nine hour window in which he has to sleep every night. Most people that I know with a job consider eight hours of sleep each night to be a luxury.

            Also, from what I’ve been able to find and always heard about the Geneva conventions, they apply to how a country’s military treats people who fall into enemy hands, but not that country’s own military personal. If you believe I’m mistaken, feel free to point out where in the conventions say otherwise.

            Lastly, mind pointing me to where you got that number or 29 days. I’m having trouble finding any documentation of the conventions that mention solitary confinement, much less how long it can last.

            1. 29 days is the standard set by title 18 and 21 of the United States Code. It governs the Department of Justice, who is prosecuting manning, and also the Federal Bureau of Prisons, which is a subdivision of the DOJ. The military is holding him at Quantico Marine base in a military BRIG. Not surprisingly, there are no provisions in the UCMJ regarding prisoner detention rules of our own prisoners, because any military brig on United States soil falls under the purview of the Department of Defense directly, which has adopted the guidelines as set forth by the Department of Justice for Federal detainees and prisoners.

              Whether it’s Quantico, or Levinworth, the same laws and regulations apply and the DOJ OIG is responsible for maintaining all conditions at federal prisons, including military brigs.

              Again, post about it on the board for more detailed discussion.

  9. The majority of opinions expressed here are uninformed, factually incorrect and unsupported, or flagrantly illogical.

    One might infer from this trend that the American government has been largely successful at portraying Manning, AN ALLEGED WHISTLE BLOWER, as a criminal and de facto traitor to his country.

    I wonder how the lot of you would have looked at the German soldiers during world war two who opposed the Nazi party, and Adolf Hitlers programme of genocide, and tried to leak information about such attrocities that were commited to the governments and Western press?

    Would they have been courageous Germans who operating on their own good consciences opposed a corrupt government?

    Would you have called them traitors at the Nuremburg trials?

    Would you have looked Herman Goering in the eye and said, “He was only doing what he was told to do, and cannot be blamed for following orders that he knew violated his morals and conscinece.”

    Would you have?

    At Nuremburg, we told the German soldiers of WWII that they were morally guilty of condoning and aiding Hitlers war on the Jewish People because they DID NOT blow the whistle.

    We all vowed, as the human race, to offer protection to Whistleblowers, who at the risk of their own lives and freedom, shed light upon and exposed atrocities or injuries committed by their own governments.

    It seems most of you are far too naive, and far to young to care about your own not-so-distant history.

    So now, since you condemn this man before all the facts are known, I wish it had been you at Nuremburg staring back at the good German Officers and civilians who had dared to blow the whistle on even the smallest infractions commited by the Nazis in WWII, and calling them TRAITORS, instead of heroes.

    I wish you could grasp that kind of irony.

    Bradley Manning is a Hero for exposing acts committed by his own government that violated his conscience, and it was HIS SWORN DUTY to report and expose the very things he did, such as the footage of the Apache Gunship massacre, because of the oath that he took to defend the Constitution of the United States of America, not the GOVERNMENT of the United States of America.

    Most of my fellow Americans are too ignorant and brainwashed to know that there is a difference,
    and as a veteran of the United States military, I am neither shocked nor surprised by that fact.

    1. Fragrantly illogical, that’s cute. So if it’s contrary to you, it’s uninformed and illogical. I love how you just resort to belittling people with that “I wish you could grasp” crap too, or just saying others are ignorant and brainwashed. That’s such a way to have a civil conversation…

      So you’re saying he’s allowed to be judge/jury/executioner/etc on saying that issue with the Apache gunship was an illegal massacre, not a legal act of combat against soldiers on a battlefield. What happened to having a trial or commission to determine that first, and you keep crying about?

      It’s not his (Manning) right to leak that, because of his “conscience”. That’s not his place or job to decide that, and what he did is a blatant an act of espionage.

    2. “The majority of opinions expressed here are uninformed, factually incorrect and unsupported, or flagrantly illogical.”

      Could Fox News high ratings have anything to do with that? (Not that the rest of the media haven’t been involved in misinformation)

    3. “calling them TRAITORS, instead of heroes.”
      A person can be a traitor and a hero at the same time.

    4. Just what atrocities was Manning exposing that can come anywhere near comparing to what Goering, Rosenberg, Frick, or any other person found guilty at the Nuremberg trials were guilty of?

      From what I’ve seen, none that are any worse then what the average High School student might have done.

      You point to the footage of the Apache Gunship massacre, yet I distinctly recall seeing that exact same footage elsewhere on the WEB well before Wikileaks would have gotten ahold of it.

      What he has done is to put the entire US government in a very difficult position with not just our political rivals but with our allies as well. It has also potentially exposed weaknesses and military secrets to not just enemies in Iraq and Afghanistan but to North Korea, Pakistan, Iran, and other political and military rivals as well.

      I find it rather ironic that anyone who’s been through boot camp would have the gall to call anyone else “brainwashed”.

      1. “From what I’ve seen, none that are any worse then what the average High School student might have done.”

        Gunning down civillians and laughing about it is no worse than something an average high schooler would do? What the hell high school did you go to?

        http://www.collateralmurder.com/

        “You point to the footage of the Apache Gunship massacre, yet I distinctly recall seeing that exact same footage elsewhere on the WEB well before Wikileaks would have gotten ahold of it.”

        If the above video is the one you were referencing, it was DEFINITELY released by Wikileaks. We just don’t know if it was released by Manning. Wikileaks did not just spring up this past few months, it’s only just getting popular now because it’s embarrassed government officials.

        “What he has done is to put the entire US government in a very difficult position with not just our political rivals but with our allies as well. It has also potentially exposed weaknesses and military secrets to not just enemies in Iraq and Afghanistan but to North Korea, Pakistan, Iran, and other political and military rivals as well.”

        No. The whistle-blowers did not put our government in a difficult position. The government did that to themselves. If they wouldn’t have committed the crimes they committed, there would have been nothing for a whistle-blower to expose. As Assange said about the helicopter massacre footage; Iraqi citizens don’t need to have footage leaked, they see it first hand every day.

        Countries are not at war with one another, their governments are.

  10. What the kid did is nothing short of treason, he deserves what he is getting. Regardless of what he uncovered, it was classified to protect the interests of the United States and he took that and divulged it to the other countries, and made the US gov look stupid. Dont for a second think that the US is the only one doing illegal things behind closed doors. Geneva conventions and the UN have no say it what happens to the kid he is a US soldier, not a POW. He is not intitled to a “trial” other than a General Court-Martial, for the crime of treason, UCMJ art 106a.

    1. Hes not being charged with treason. JAG doesn’t have a leg to stand on with that charge. And neither do you.

      1. I wouldn’t be too sure about that. If the JAG can prove without a shadow of a doubt that Pvt Manning willfully and knowingly engaged in espionage during war time by giving highly classified information to a NGE for the specific purpose of having it leaked, he very well could be charged with treason. You seem to think that they have no evidence and that is why he is still being held. He’s being held still because whether he is charged with treason or not, he still violated his oath to the president and the constitution. He has no right to complain about his treatment, especially when it could be so much worse. If he were not in solitary, he’d be dead. Chew on that.

  11. Actions have consequences. Bradley Manning committed a crime (more than one, actually) and now he’s suffering for it. He by no means should be freed.

    That being said, I do not support the Iraq War or the conditions of Manning’s imprisonment. And I don’t outright condemn Wikileaks’ work. But let’s get some facts here.

    Manning had certain obligations under the Uniform Code of Military Justice. This Code is what all US soldiers must abide by, no matter what. Crimes include Failure to Obey a Lawful General Order or Regulation, Dereliction of Duty, Conduct Unbecoming of an Officer and a Gentleman, etc. Manning clearly is guilty of these, and other crimes and was rightfully court-martialed. He is not a political prisoner.

    Now, AidanWilde is 100% correct when he says that ratified treaties carry as much weight as the US Constituiton. This is due to the Supremacy Clause of the Constituiton.

    That being said, the UN Convention Against Torture is very broad and is only a blanket ban on the practice. It doesn’t go into specifics of what constitutes torture. Common Article Three of the Geneva Conventions ban “violence to life and person, in particular murder of all kinds, mutilation, cruel treatment and torture” as well as “outrages upon personal dignity, in particular humiliating and degrading treatment”. From what’s known to us, none of these things are being inflicted upon Manning. Furthermore, the Fourth Geneva Convention does not even apply to Manning since’s he’s not an ENEMY combatant.

    And Aidan, nowhere did it say sleep deprivation was being used on him. And it’s been a while since I’ve worked extensively with the Geneva Conventions, but I don’t remember a specification about solitary confinement and a quick search reveals nothing. Do you have the specific convention and article?

    And why would SCOTUS rule on this?

    And there’s a key difference between the Nuremberg Trials and this situation. Bradly Manning simply downloaded a huge cache of documents and released them en masse. They were not specific. They did not highlight specific governmental abuse. Some may have been discovered in the process, but that was not the overall intention or outcome of his actions. The documents mostly highlight legal, but embarrassing undertakings of the government as well as its reflections on various topics. This in no way is fulfilling his sworn duty.

    1. I would reply to each of your points in more detail but I don’t want to clutter the blog post with a personal conversation.

      I’d rather focus on the point of the article itself.

      The treatment of Bradley Manning, and the motives of the parties behind that treatment.

      I’d be happy to discuss those things more with you on the MilkBoard in a separate thread.

      Can anyone watch the linked video and not understand what they are looking at? You are not only looking at the face of Bradley Manning’s closest friend, you’re looking at the face of his probable boyfriend.

      The very fact that Mr. House isn’t even at liberty to disclose that fact because of the backwards public policy and lack of equal protections and civil rights in the United States, should also help you understand why the government is acting in this manner. DADT might have been repealed in the Congress, but until it is certified by the SecDef and the POTUS, it is still a crime for Bradley Manning to openly admit that he is in fact, a Gay man.

      The US Government is now holding that Gay man in solitary confinement without so much as a thick blanket to sleep on for days on end with no break or solace on the flimsiest of Non Judicial Charges of violating Article 92 of the UCMJ, which is nothing more than failure to follow a direct or lawful order or command, ie, to not disclose secret or classified material. No courts martial has been convened. He has not refused NJP nor has it been offered by his Commanding Officer. Why is that? Why the indefinite detainment?

      Because the Government hasn’t quite thoroughly cherry picked every single charge they think they can get on him yet, nor have they been able to establish a direct link between Bradley and Assange, WHO IS THEIR REAL TARGET, that’s why.

      Bradley is being made to suffer in an attempt to implicate Assange personally. Let’s just dispense with the bullshit and get to the heart of the matter. He’s being strong armed, and yes, I think tortured so that when he finally breaks mentally, he tells the government what they want to hear, that will allow them to go after Julian Assange.

      He (Manning) has not been charged with espionage. The DOJ and JAG is still researching whether Article 106a (Espionage) or Article 106 (Treason) can be applied. Both have strict requirements of burden of proof, such as testimony from at least 2 individuals, which they do not have currently, and the requirement that espionage be taken on behalf of a “foreign government or a faction or party or military or naval force within a foreign country.” which they could not establish.

      The only evidence the government possesses is the circumstantial evidence of testimony from Adrian Lamo, a guy that three weeks prior to his turning in Manning, was addmitted for PSYCHOLOGICAL evaluation.

      Daniel Ellsberg, the man that leaked the infamous “Pentagon Papers” is on the record as having called Bradley Manning a “brother” who, if he indeed provided the documents to WikiLeaks, committed “a very admirable act.”

      source: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/12/16/daniel-ellsberg-wikileaks_n_797801.html

      History repeats itself only if those observing are too misguided or distracted to understand that it’s happening again.

      That’s the last I’ll say about it.

      IF Bradley Manning indeed was responsible for transferring these classified documents to WikiLeaks, as it has been alleged, then in my mind along with Daniel Ellsberg’s:

      “To call him a terrorist is not only mistaken, it’s absurd.”

  12. AidanWilde, I don’t see the relevance of his sexuality or DADT here. And your belittling of Article 92 of the UCMJ surprises me. It’s not a flimsy charge at all. Lawful orders and regulations are to be strictly adhered to. Doing so could affect lives, in a given situation.

    And your connecting the DoD’s actions with the DoJ trying to nail Assange is nothing more than supposition. You can cry naivete and continue to call of us brainwashed sheep, but that fact doesn’t change.

    1. Im not downplaying article 92. Im saying its the most broad article in the entire code, and can be overused to cover just about anything. In every charge of NJP, you’ll always see article 92 as what we in the service call “The lump charge” because if you break ANY OTHER code in the UCMJ, then technically you are breaking this one as well.

      If that is only one of the two charges, then the case is FLIMSY. period.

      Again, Im tired of this discussion being about me or my character, or the words i choose to use, because it isn’t about me, no matter how many people want it to be. If you want to really debate, come join me on the board and I’ll be happy to do so, at length.

      That is quite literally my last comment on the matter.

      1. Broad or not, he committed a crime. The way the court-martial system works, as I’m sure you know, is that you’re charged with the “big” crimes and then all the lesser crimes are included. Lesser=/=unimportant.

        And I’m not sure why you think this is about you or your character. But if you want to continue discussing what apparently is you and your character, we could make a thread on the Board.

  13. Does anyone seriously believe that this man wouldn’t have been charged with leaking classified information had he not been gay? Gays have enought legitimate battles to fight without allowing this worm and his apologists to hijack the gay rights cause and turn it into the new last refuge of scoundrels. If they whine enought Congress might decide to rethink accepting gays in the military. I hope the Army gives him a fair trial and the court martial imposes the maximum penalty. The only regretable thing about this case is that his charges don’t include death as an available punishment.

  14. As a note, has anyone considered he might be in solitary for his own protection? Regardless of what I may think of Manning himself, there are other people in that particular detention facility who may feel him to be…shall we say, a dead man. Military prison is not a normal prison. People who end up there are generally not very nice at all, and while they may have violated the rules and regulations of the military, they take the act of treason very seriously. Manning has much to fear from other soldiers as much as he does from the general public.

  15. Just because he’s gay doesn’t mean he deserves our support.

    Wikileaks stands for zero expectation of privacy. How would you feel if you were a manager of some company and one of your employee steals all your personal emails and then publishes them, hence outing you in the process? What if you happen to work in a very homophobic industry?

    I can’t believe that people actually support Wikileaks.

    1. If those emails revealed to my employees that I was a criminal responsible for the deaths of innocents and prostitution of children I would deserve to be brought to justice.

      I can’t actually believe there are people who don’t support Wikileaks.

      1. Governments have the right to have classified information. It makes it possible for things to get done that otherwise would be impossible. The leaking of diplomatic cables is akin to somebody reading your private conversations with other people. It’s wrong, no matter how you shake the stick. Julian Assange is not a hero, he’s an info-terrorist. He knows it. And I do not support any institution that is not accountable to anyone else. At least our government is accountable to the people. Who the hell is Wikileaks accountable to?

        1. “akin to somebody reading your private conversations with other people. It’s wrong, no matter how you shake the stick.”

          Unless, like I said, my private conversations revealed I’m a criminal and I was given a position of trust to govern over people.

          “And I do not support any institution that is not accountable to anyone else. At least our government is accountable to the people.”

          Oh, the irony. The government doesn’t seem to think it’s accountable to the people the way it conducts it’s business. How can the government be held accountable by the people if they keep all of their crimes secret? This is not just gossip between officials that’s being revealed. It’s crimes against it’s own people, crimes against other countries’ people and war crimes. If the government truly was being held responsible when they fuck up in a huge way, then you might have a case. As it stands, Wikileaks is the only thing holding our government, and others, accountable for their actions. And nobody is getting harmed in the process. Not a single death has been shown to be a product of the Wikileaks “terrorism.” The government keeping it’s secrets, on the other hand, usually relies on more murders to keep things quiet.

  16. There are two things that happened at the same time: a whistle was blown and classified information got released. Some of the classified information was kept classified simply to avoid embarrassment or to avoid possible consequences.

    Should Bradley Manning be freed? Yes, but he should NOT go unpunished. Kick his ass the hell out of my Army with a Dishonorable Discharge so he doesn’t do this again.

    The Government doesn’t want Manning’s blood, they want Julian Assange’s. Some speculate they’re trying to get Manning to testify against Assange in exchange for his freedom.

  17. Solve the problem, put him out in the general population of a military prison. It’d save the cost of a trial.

  18. I`m with Sixle on this one! If you go up and poke a big dog with a stick and he takes your arm off….what? What the hell
    do you think is gonna happen?
    If the Gay Rights Folks are gonna hitch their wagon to this issue it`s gonna be another yes ANOTHER black eye for them.
    Pick and choose your battles carefully, please?
    John

  19. Look, this isn’t a fantasy world like the end of Watchmen
    or something with Assange or Manning being this Rorschach character
    that is just too stubborn to see this huge secret is necessary to
    keep world peace. Not only is our government committing inhuman
    crimes and lying about them, it’s not doing us any good! The U.S.
    is in one of the biggest financial crisis’s ever faced. We’re at
    war all over the place, policing the world, in a bullshit
    “war-on-terror” that was never legally declared and helping only
    war profiteers. American citizens are being slowly but surely
    stripped of our rights with Airport nude scanning and probing (that
    not only is a huge invasion of privacy, it’s hazardous to our
    health and proven to be ineffectual in even catching weapons
    passing through), illegal wire-tapping and bugging, the new
    Orwellian videos that play on Walmart televisions (“If you see
    someone suspicious, tell someone!”), warrant-less GPS tracking by
    police, etc, etc. So tell me, what exactly do you think these
    government lies are helping? How can you POSSIBLY come to the
    conclusion that the government keeping it’s own citizens in the
    dark is EVER a good thing? Our government’s most important role is
    not to keep us safe. Our government’s most important role is to
    keep our RIGHTS and our FREEDOM safe. It is not doing that. As
    myself and others have said several times already; you think war
    documents being leaked is putting our soldiers in danger? WHAT DO
    YOU THINK WAS HAPPENING BEFORE THE DOCUMENTS WERE LEAKED? We’re
    already being sent overseas to be needlessly slaughtered, what more
    danger can those soldiers be put in? I don’t want a hypothetical,
    give me ONE REAL case where this new transparency has harmed us
    more than helped us. Why the hell do you think our “leaders” would
    cease committing crimes and lying about them if they know for a
    fact that they won’t be held responsible?

  20. Bradley Manning is a traitor who deserves the full weight of mlitary justice to descend upon him. Had he discovered a moral objection to what he was a part of then he should have deserted or refused to perform his duty. Instead, he took it upon himself to be the arbiter of the foregin policy of an entire country. That not only is arrogance beyond belief but flies in the facde of everything this country stands for. I hope he never sees the light of day again.

  21. I’m arriving late on this thread, apologies.

    Bradley Manning has undermined perhaps the most important pillar of democracy in our modern world: the right of a government to keep its citizens ignorant. Further he has jeopardised the rights of corporate media organisations to tell us only those things that advance the cause of unfettered war capitalism.

    If he is the source of the Apache helicopter murder video, he is a hero. Watch it now. Listen to the dialogue. Puke at what your soldier boys are doing.

    But Bradley Manning’s crimes cannot go unpunished. Thus, though only in remand, he is being held in solitary. Solitary IS torture, though I can’t expect Americans who remain silent at the treatment of the 10,000 prisoners in American Supermax prisons to be able to accept that concept. That would call their own moral laziness into question. Bradley Manning’s will is being broken, pour encourager les autres and all those who dare defy the American empire. He will be destroyed and through your parrotting the crap you hear on US media, you must also bear the blame.

    I assume that none of the posters on this thread is actually part of Amercia’s ruling elite, nor are you in spite of bankrolling these noble “democracy” projects (1 million dead in Iraq), directly profiting from the wars, but still you support them, support the profiteering military industrial economic complex and now demand the head of Bradley Manning. You have been lied to, stolen from and brainwashed.

    And you’re all queer. How fuckin sad.

  22. We’re at war. Manning should have been shot. He should still be shot. No mercy for a f*cking traitor.

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