33 thoughts on “Congrats, New Zealand”

  1. Looks like a great day in NZ. It must have been awesome to be in the chambers that day.

  2. Way to go, New Zealand.

    I assume the song they sang was the National Anthem, and the woman in the rainbow striped top was a LGBTQ Member of Parliament and activist. Someone please correct me if I’m wrong.

    1. Come on, John … it’s Louisa Wall, the Labour list MP who introduced the bill. Bro – you need to watch the news more LOL!

    1. MAORI …

      Pōkarekare ana
      ngā wai o Rotorua,
      Whiti atu koe hine
      marino ana e.

      E hine e
      hoki mai ra.
      Ka mate ahau
      I te aroha e.

      Tuhituhi taku reta
      tuku atu taku rīngi,
      Kia kite tō iwi
      raru raru ana e.

      ENGLISH …

      They are agitated
      the waters of Rotorua,
      But when you cross over girl
      they will be calm.

      Oh girl
      return to me,
      I could die
      of love for you.

      I have written my letter
      I have sent my ring,
      so that your people can see
      that I am troubled.

      1. Thanks for that Rokker, I am kiwi and I have never known the english words to that song, I see now the importance of that song last night. and yes shed a tear for Louisa,

        but FUCK YEAH I can now marry my man and call him my husband,

  3. After a week of senseless, bloody carnage (my heart goes out to Bostonians everywhere) what a wonderful and uplifting event this is. Congratulations to NZ for being such a progressive and compassionate nation.

    1. Kinda crazy when you think about it. Only 26 years ago, if two gay guys had sex they were convicted of a crime, sent to jail for up to 3 years, had psychological reports done on them about their deviant behaviour and the terrible damage inflicted on society, made to undergo therapy programmes and if they were lucky might get early parole, but always have a criminal record for the rest of their lives.

      Now – that same act if done today receives the blessing of parliament.

      I wonder if those guys imprisoned for this heinous crime all those years ago will now be given an official apology, offered compensation, and had their criminal records removed?

      Yeah, right!! Oh look … there goes a flying pig … right up there! Do you see it? !!!

  4. Watching this video made me quite emotional. Not least because i’m over the moon with happiness for the LGB community of NZ who are one step closer to the ever moving goal-post of equality. But also, I watched with sadness. Sadness that the UK still hasn’t found its way into this club, and with every passing day, or so it seems, moves further from it. Yes ‘Out4Marriage’ is working hard to make it so – but when I watch a video such as this one, I can’t help but wonder, how, as the leaders of the Commonwealth of Nations we are still struggling with this. To all those in NZ; celebrate and enjoy, raise a glass to your achievement, but please don’t forget to show your support to those [many] nations who still haven’t quite made it.

    1. To be honest, Marco, I’m kinda reluctant to celebrate this with too mush enthusiasm just yet. The bill went through parliament in spite of a call by a majority for a national referendum on the whole issue. If the stats are to be believed, there actually has been a slow but steady shift of majority opinion back the other way – against the idea of redefining marriage, since the bill was first introduced. If the bill had taken much longer to go through, there’s a chance it might not have made it.

      Gay marriage might be legal here now – but I don’t know that it will change things much. You can legislate the law all you like, but you can’t legislate people’s hearts and minds, attitudes and beliefs. Julia Gillard (Australia P.M.) says there’s no way it’s gonna happen there!

      Gay kids are still teased, bullied and persecuted at school. Will the law change make that stop? I don’t thing so. In fact I can see one of my friends getting an even harder time now if his Dad decides to marry his new boyfriend.

  5. Way to go, New Zealand! Welcome to the club.

    Eleven countries (Argentina, Belgium, Canada, Denmark, Iceland, Netherlands, Norway, Portugal, Spain, South Africa, and Sweden all have same sex marriage, and now New Zealand makes it twelve. CONGRATS to you guys. :)

    1. daveboy,

      Don’t forget the United States. Currently about 50 million people live in states that have full marriage equality. That’s about as many as the largest population of all the countries you listed (South Africa), and about 1/4 the total of all twelve countries (about 210 million). If Illinois gets marriage equality through legislation and California gets it back by a Supreme Court decision (hopefully both will happen in the next few months), then the population with full equality in the United States will double to 100 million, or about half of the rest of the world.

      1. Scott, I’m very much aware that there are individual states in your country where it’s legal, but not all your states are united, which means your country still has a long way to go to universally accept legal same-sex marriage. 34 million Canadians are by law allowed to marry a same-sex spouse here, universally, in Every Part of Canada. You can’t say that about the USA.

        1. I understand your point. Canada did, however, go through a period where some provinces had same-sex marriage, and some provinces didn’t. You guys up there are just more reasonable, and come to a consensus more quickly than we do. I’m afraid it will be a while before Mississippi and Alabama come around.

      2. Also, if France passes same-sex marriage that would add another 65 million. The world total could be about 375 million by the end of the summer.

        But who’s counting, anyway. Way to go, New Zealand.

  6. Beautiful. Just beautiful.
    You can feel the mood in the room.
    When the first stage of accepting gay marriage in the UK passed, my first thought was, ‘at last I am ordinary'; I am like my mum and dad, I don’t have to hide, I am ordinary.
    Of course I always was.
    This was so joyful, and despite the difficulties, with two races, and, forgive me, I know little of the reality in New Zealand, but you give out the appearance of having reached an accommodation, at least, there. And now with sexuality too. Hurrah.
    There is a lot to be said for being ordinary…
    For only then can we blossom, like all the other trees in the forest.
    Thank you, this may be my favourite post ever on this site.
    Thank you Josh, and thank you Dave.


    1. Polls like that are easy to rig. The sample is self-selected, and it isn’t clear there were measures in place to prevent people voting more than once.

      I read elsewhere that about two thirds of New Zealanders were in favour. That seems far more plausible to me.

    2. I agree with Asiffeta, Rokker. Polls such as these have no proper statistical validity. Some organization has to have created a statistically well-designed and unbiased poll about Kiwi attitudes toward the bill.

      Another way to look at it is that your Parliament is ahead of the population in general. They are actually leading on issues of equal rights and justice. It could be a lot worse. You could live in the United States, where about 90% of the people support universal background checks of gun buyers, and our Senate can’t pass even the most watered-down bill.

  7. But why do you want too?

    Marriage is one of the out-moded forms of supression and as for gay men being faithful to each other for life, the very idea is too risible to be true.

    1. That’s a pretty interesting observation. The gay community has fought long and hard to gain access to a tradition and institution that, by its very definition, requires lifelong faithful commitment between two partners “til death us do part”. The straight community are certainly not very good at it, considering all the “affairs” and marriage breakups that happen all the time. Will the gay community be any better? I doubt it. As you say – I don’t think most gay men want such a commitment that “marriage” entails. Maybe we need a new word to define the kind of relationship that the gay community wants????

  8. As an American I sometimes despair. Our Federal government is in gridlock because a small group of lunatics has hijacked the Republican party and is holding my country hostage. As long as this is true we will never see anything like what we saw in this video.

    Just yesterday the NRA got an early Christmas gift from our representatives by getting a vote on necessary gun laws blocked from a vote.

    My country is sick and I don’t know what to do about it.

    1. Make sure you vote, AJ. I agree with your assessment of how sick the U.S. is right now, but the U.S. will probably get somewhat more progressive over the next decade or two. The future demographics of the U.S. will mean that the Republicans will have a smaller and smaller base with their current policies. The only way they will be able to win in a fair vote is to change their policies to attract the voters they are alienating now. We have a good President in Obama, but he needs more support in Congress. Every Progressive’s vote is really important, especially in the mid-term Congressional election of 2014.

      We will never be as progressive as Canada, New Zealand, or Scandinavia, which is a shame, because we would be a much better country if we were. And I don’t know if we will ever get over our national psychosis about guns. But the pendulum will probably swing back toward progressivism. If it doesn’t, we are in serious, serious trouble.

    2. The problem in the U.S.A. are the religious fanatics who want to impose their anti-gay religious views on everyone else. Please separate the issue of firearms / guns from the religious nuts. Gays should learn to use and own firearms so that gay-bashers will think twice before they bash! I go target shooting occasionally. I own 3 pistols, 3 rifles and 2 shotguns, and I casually mention in conversation that I am a country-living leftwing gunowner.

      1. Chaybin,

        You are entirely correct that the religious nuts and the gun nuts (and I don’t know if you are one of them…more below) are two separate problems in the U.S. The religious nuts are doing everything they can to oppress LGBTQ people and send us back into the closet. The gun nuts are probably mostly anti-gay, because they also tend to have right wing politics, but they are not actively supporting anti-gay organizations and politicians just because of their gun beliefs. I mentioned guns mainly because AJ mentioned them in the post I was replying to.

        If you are truly a left wing gun owner, which I assume also means a responsible gun owner, then more power to you. However, I consider that “responsible gun owners” are only those that agree with, and would willingly participate in, gun laws equal to what they have in Canada, Switzerland, Japan, and every other developed western nation. For instance, if you are against complete registration and tracking of all guns, against complete and effective background checks, against banning of all weapons that are capable of mass killing, then I would classify you as “irresponsible”. America is just plain gun crazy. Guns are fundamentally killing machines. That is what they are. Trying to claim their core purpose is anything else is simply insanity or lying. Their legitimate auxiliary purposes, such as hunting, target shooting, and as the very last resort of protecting yourself within your own home, are easily satisfied within extremely tight guns controls. That has been unarguably demonstrated in every other developed country. Canada has had sane gun laws for decades, and Canadians with legitimate needs or uses for guns are not overly restricted.

        This is not an invitation for another useless gun debate. If you agree with the above ideas, I will gladly include you in the small group of “truly responsible U.S. gun owners”. If you don’t agree, you are simply wrong, and you are part of the problem. If you don’t agree, I am not interested in hearing your counterarguments. They are wrong, boring, and I’ve heard them all before. It’s time in the U.S. for people who are sane about guns to quit talking and do everything we can politically to stop our national insanity.

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