“Nobody is created gay”

Bryan Fischer, of the American Family Association has attacked President Obama’s inauguration speech in which he referred to the importance of the gay rights movement, and said that it is “ludicrous” for gay people to expect equal rights, because “nobody is created gay.” Read on…

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46 thoughts on ““Nobody is created gay””

  1. No-one should care about the spokesman of a hate group (Southern Law Poverty Centre lists it as such).

    1. He’s right. Just like young Bryan Fischer ignored those strong homosexual desires, and chose to go the heterosexual route instead of giving in. He still probably has those deviant desires to bone a man, he just chooses not to.

    1. Many of those so called Christian Groups (right-wing religionists is a better term) use their anti-gay rhetoric as a fund-raising tools. In the same way they use their so-called “Pro-Life” anti-abortion stance. If they really were pro-marriage they would speak out more against divorce and adultery.

  2. muhahaha, Obama doesn’t know what he’s talking about? And he does? Did he get to speak to GOD in person telling him to make it stop?

    1. You’re showing pretty much the same level of ignorance this religious freak is doing …. all the while taking your usual (and expected) anti-American hate jabs that you do every chance you get.

      You already know that there are the very same people in your country as well as several other countries where evangelic christianity is so popular, but are loathe to admit this. Yes, we do have more of them but that’s only because our country is so much larger with so much more population. The odds are obvious between our countries. You’re just lucky to be in a country where religion isn’t shoved down your throat on a daily, if not hourly basis. But, don’t forget one thing, you Brits/UK people have a state sponsored religion and yet we don’t.

      1. State sponsored? In what way? The Church of England is not financed in any way by the Government except for favourable tax rules that also apply to any and every charity in the land.

        The Church of England is the Established Church meaning that it is officially sanctioned. That is all it means and is an ancient circumstance of British history just as the USA is a circumstance of British history too. Perhaps only a footnote.

        Additionally, the Church of England in the U.K. is just that. It is English and absolutely not British. Come to Scotland and spout about the Church of England and you’ll get your head well bashed in after we’ve severely booted you in the balls. I’m an atheist too! Mate!

        As for the lack of religion shoving down of throats – luck has nothing to do with it. We are still predominantly British and simply do not have the same thought processes as people in USA. The aberration of no gun control is the most perfect example of that.

        I would say that the remark ‘ only in America’ does apply and there’s no implied insult or let’s hate America behind it.

        So take your obvious chagrin and shove it up your arse.

        1. you Brits/UK people have a state sponsored religion and yet we don’t.”
          “State sponsored? In what way? The Church of England is not financed in any way by the Government except for favourable tax rules that also apply to any and every charity in the land.”

          I probably shouldn’t have used the word, “sponsored” in any “financial sense,” since I don’t know enough about your taxes, etc. But you said yourself, “… Government except for favourable tax rules that also apply to any and every charity in the land.” The very fact that your taxes pay for even some of it, means it’s publicly funded (at least partially); i.e., “sponsored” at least in part. So, I wasn’t totally wrong — “tax credits” are the same as receiving public tax money.

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          “Additionally, the Church of England in the U.K. is just that. It is English and absolutely not British.”

          You’re splitting hairs there. And, I said, “as well as several other countries where evangelic christianity is so popular” meaning any other type of religion or how you classify it. Again, splitting hairs.

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          “As for the lack of religion shoving down of throats – luck has nothing to do with it.”

          I’ve been told many times that it’s not polite to even bring up religion in your area because of social ‘mores.’ Which I love, personally. So, I am correct — your churches don’t “shove it” to you people and you don’t have very many crazies as we have that think they have to spout it every day and against everything they think might be against their precious bible.

          I don’t know what you’re getting down on me for …. I’ve heard there are some (considerably less than us, to be sure) of your religious that like to spout craziness to others — it’s like that in most countries. And you’re even dealing with islam/muslim crazies now in your countries (as we are too). So, it’s NOT just “only in America” for these religious problems.

          And, you obviously haven’t read many of his posts from before so you don’t know what you’re talking about on this account.

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          “So take your obvious chagrin and shove it up your arse.”

          Since we over here say ‘ass,’ then you can do the same. And, josh’s ‘editor’ in here marks your version as misspelled [red] :) And you should already know that I chastise everything about religion in America (or elsewhere).

          Have a nice day. :)

          1. @Penboy (#8)
            Your comments are mostly factual and substantiated.
            But when it comes to criticism of “USA”, you show only hurt “national pride”.

          2. The thing is, Britain has its fair share of crazies, but they don’t generate much support, whereas in America, they tend to reflect a significant swathe of the population.

        2. Quote: “We are still predominantly British and simply do not have the same thought processes as people in USA. The aberration of no gun control is the most perfect example of that.”

          Laddie, the reason we don’t have confiscatory gun control is because in our ideology, ultimate power must reside with the people. In your ideology, ultimate power resides with the Crown. In fact, during WW2, Parliament passed a law placing “every British subject’s LIFE, PROPERTY and TALENT at the disposal of the Crown.” That law did not sunset at the end of the war, and it has never been repealed. As Head of State and Head of the Church, Elizabeth II is both Pope and Caesar to her subjects.

          In Britain, the monarchy has the ultimate power (even though it is held in reserve), and therefore Her Majesty’s forces have all the guns. In America, the people have the power, and so we have guns. A mere 300 million guns or so – not nearly enough, but hey, we are buying them up now as fast as they can be produced. FYI, the American people have, in the last 80 days, bought almost every available “assault rifle” – millions of them – and some manufacturers are reporting backorders stretching 6 months to a year. We have stockpiled millions of high- capacity magazines, and some 10 billion (with a B) rounds of ammunition to fil them with. It’s a start.

          I have no problem with British civilization, in fact, I am a closet Anglophile (among other closeted traits), and grateful we were your colony and not France’s, Spain’s or Holland’s.

          Mr. upikinonme, remember my friend that we are allies, and have both found over time much in each other to learn from and be grateful for. God Save Her Majesty & God Bless The USA.

            1. I agree Audaciter – it’s way too early to start bragging. We need millions more rifles and magazines, and many more billions of rounds of ammunition before we can again, in the great tradition of our Founding Fathers, consider ourselves an armed citizenry – one the government should be terrified to oppress or even offend.

  3. Nobody is created a Christian either, so by his own argument, he cannot expect equal rights.

  4. Yes, he does, certanly only if he’gay. But you know sexual repression leads to anger and bitterness and now he only wants to destroy the happyness of other.
    And given that he claims to know … there is only one logical conclusion.

  5. This guy is thinking that he is in control of his life and is making choices in his life. What a fool, his true choices are like what leg to use first in the morning after waking up. The rest is like following instincts, desires, needs mostlly. Like choosing wife. We have very little choices in our life and great is this person who recognizes them and uses them for some good.

  6. “Nobody is created Gay”. He’s right about that; they were BORN THAT WAY. It’s called genetics, not magic pie from the sky. Bryan Fischer is an ignorant religious bigot and is on the board of directors of the AMA, which has been labeled a hate group. I feel sorry for his lack of intelligence.

    1. You’re right (except that it may be more about epigenetics than genetics, but it’s just a detail here)

      It reminds me when we had sex Ed at school, my biology teacher was then insisting that we were not “created” by sexual intercourse, but “procreated”. Well, now that I understand this term I have to disagree. There is no procreation nor creation, because there is no Creator (from a non-theist point of view at least). I doubt this man will ever realize the ironic double-meaning of his speech, though.

      The end sentence is delightful : “It’s embarrassing, really, for him to betray this level of ignorance before the entire world”. LMAO, he’s one to talk, for sure ^^

      In a way, this kind of ignorance display is encouraging. Just imagine what a beautiful place the world could become with appropriate education! This is not out of reach, we can work toward it (though it may be a long and hard way up I guess – but we gays are not repulsed when we see something hard standing in front of us, right ?).

  7. There’s none so blind as he who will not see! He claims to be a Christian, but his motives and actions most certainly are not! He claims Obama is ignorant in his support of gay relationships as no one is born gay, and he refers to science/research which supports that position, but all reputable, legitimate and verified reseach over approximately the past 100 years contradicts his claims! Based on all the evidence, coupled with a modicum of common sense, I can only reach the conclusion that his poisonous bigotry results from a deep sense of insecurity and fear, born of his ownself-imposed and self-maintained ignorance! Either that, or he has jumped on this wagon because he has some agenda of his own. In either case, deliberately or otherwise, he is simply dishonest! However, because the poison he is spouting is actually dangerous, I suggest people like him be treated according to one of my oldest and longest held principles: everyone is entitled to their opinion, but no one is entitled to publicly broadcast their opinions when they are based on ignorance, hatred and bigotry – anyone who does is inciting others to act hatefully, thus criminally, therefore the espousers of such opinions should simply be muzzled!

  8. This guy is thinking that he is in control of his life and is making choices in his life. What a fool, his true choices are like what leg to use first in the morning after waking up. The rest is like following instincts, desires, needs mostlly. Like choosing a wife. We have very little choices in our life and great is this person who recognizes them and uses them for some good.

  9. It is always interesting how these people don’t seem to have a problem with an adulterer and fornicator like Newt Gingrich running for President. Now those behaviors are a sin. One choses to violate ones marriage vows. One does not chose their sexual orientation anymore than they can chose the color of their eyes. Many of these groups have “skeletons” in their closets which if the truth about them were known…well it wouldn’t really surprise anyone.

  10. the only “rights” in the US constitution are protections from discrimination and slavery was legal for a long time in US also. the phrase all men are created equal has never appeared anywhere in the US constitution. His iqnorance is deliberate and directed to those who are like minded

  11. The man is a closet case.

    On the other hand, for most men (who are naturally bisexual), sexual behavior is something of a choice, and most of them choose to repress any homosexual impulses and suffer the consequences of that. Only for the “kinsey 6’s” is homosexuality really not a choice.

  12. For the first 200+ years after the founding of the USA, black people were not allowed to vote. Black people that are allowed to vote are an abomination!!!

  13. Obama doesn’t know what he’s talking about, oh hmm he’s only the president of the USA you stupid fucking fuckwhistle.


  14. upikinonme:

    State sponsored? In what way? The Church of England is not financed in any way by the Government except for favourable tax rules that also apply to any and every charity in the land.

    From http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Church_of_England

    Supreme Governor Queen Elizabeth II
    Primate Archbishop of Canterbury (Position vacant)
    Headquarters Church House
    Great Smith Street
    London SW1P 3AZ
    United Kingdom
    Territory England
    Isle of Man · Channel Islands
    Gibraltar · Continental Europe
    Members 26 million baptised members[1]
    Website http://www.churchofengland.org
    Anglicanism Portal

    Pray tell, WHO finances the queen? Simply put it is the state religion. One step away from a theocracy by the way. Also can the next kind or queen become one without being consecrated by that church? If not then I would say it IS a theocracy.

    As for the lack of religion shoving down of throats – luck has nothing to do with it. We are still predominantly British and simply do not have the same thought processes as people in USA.

    On that point I fully agree with you. :P

    Oh, about guns? You wouldn’t be Pierce Morgan by any chance?:P

  15. I’m sorry, but can the Right Wing believers die off quicker? I see they are dying out, but it just isn’t fast enough! :)

    1. The argument that rightwingnuts are old people is a lie. While the “visible” and most noisy ones are older they are still busy creating a next generation of bigots and haters.

  16. This guy is barely the tip of the iceberg. If you want to see the full rainbow of psychos with access to the media, direct your browser to rightwingwatch dot org. Make sure you take your medications first.

  17. Okay, maybe I am missing something, maybe I’m just gay and therefore are of no consequence and should die quickly, but I read the article, and I see a couple glaring flaws in this monumental buttholes arguments. Okay, fact one, he says that nobody is created gay, that it is their decision. Okay, maybe he’s right, maybe that’s true, and he is entitled to his own opinion. There’s a great big but here though. I’m gay, happily so, and considering the fact that the word gay in fact means happy, I take that as a sign that I should be happily homosexual. So, the big but in that statement, well, I sure the hell did not choose this, I would not have chosen to be ostracized, bullied, beaten, misunderstood, hated, and every other thing these no brains and way too big mouths have done to gays for years. Just how many gays have these religious haters now either killed by their own hand or caused to die by suicide directly because of their actions. Hmm, gee, how many people would decide to be gay. Well, except any man who has been married to a female for five or more years, I could understand why they might decide to turn gay, have seen what those poor bastards have to put up with, lol. Okay,l so that was his point of view on that, and that was my point of view. But, that is not all, by a far stretch. In the article, he goes on to say that gayness is a genetic defect and that mothers that are carrying gay children should abort their pregnancies to not allow gays to be born at all. Okay, what is it then, I am not clear on his stance, because that sounds an awful lot to me as if he is saying that gays are born that way, yet the statement previous to it says that they are not and that it is a choice. So, this guy is a complete and total wack job that actually has no brains whatsoever. Not surprising actually, I have seen and heard my fair share of haters, and they all have the same problem, a gigantic lack of brains. Okay, now onto my third problem with his article, but trust me, I could go on about him for far longer, but that is neither here nor there. He clearly says in the article that mothers of gay children should abort their pregnancies, but isn’t abortion against god, don’t they say that you will go to hell if you abort your child. Oh, I see, to be gay is a far worse thing than to abort, so for a gay child, it is perfectly okay by god to kill them, which in turn means that it would be perfectly okay to kill any gays on the street, makes sense to me. Now, I know that I am not totally read up on the bibles, but I have in fact read almost all them, yet I do not ever recall reading anywhere that said, in any way, that gays are bad and that it would be better to kill them. Maybe I missed that paragraph, maybe it’s a new bible that I have not read, but I think not. Do pretty much all bibles say that love is the answer, love thy neighbor and all, don’t kill people, that sorta thing. I don’t know, but maybe it’s the churches that are bad, I already think that organized religion is the largest scam in the world, and in no way am I saying god is bad, I am not religious, I do not know if there is or is not a god, nor do I wish to go into that, this is not a flame to any that are religious in any way shape or form, but the simple fact of the matter is, religion has either played a great part, or was the complete and total instigator in every single war in history, or at least every one that I have read about, and virtually every hate crime that I have ever heard of too was based on or because of religious reasons. Well, there’s my views for the day, please do not flame me now for any thing that I may have said, for I do not wish or intend to insult everyone, these are only my views, you may accept or reject them as you please, but I would never flame you for your views.

  18. No one is created Christian. Therefore, it is perfectly fine to oppress Christians.

    Is there a problem with this reasoning?

  19. I like having these right-wing idiots around. They only serve to discredit religious conservatism (like the other fool talking about “legitimate rape”). It was guys like them who cost the Republicans a chance to regain the presidency. The Republican National Committee knows this, and is launching an effort to repackage their beliefs in a less offensive way – without changing them. It may not be as easy to defeat them next time. We’ll have to redouble our efforts to expose their true colors if the wingnuts aren’t there to do it for us.

  20. This rant is so vile it escapes words – I just hope that reasonable Americans oust this psycho from any position of influence

  21. This is such a vile rant – I hope all reasonable Americans oust this cretin from any position of influence

  22. This has been always a question for me that whether I’ve born a homosexual? I remember the time when I was younger that a girl could sound beautiful for me and my ideal could be living with her. But what has changed this? What caused my feelings to change during years? Maybe looking at beautiful boys (my environment and via the internet), surfing the web for any kind of contents about them, etc. During the years, I’ve discovered that we, as human beings, may BE whoever we’ve ACTED TO BE. But what has been the initial point? In another words, a gay may act behaviors to lead him not to be a gay anymore or decrease this feeling in his inside noticeably. In another hand, a heterosexual may act so that he BECOMES gay gradually. We’re template who may BECOME everything we follow, by ACTING and following the behaviors which lead to that characteristic. Now, there’s two questions. Are we free to choose how to behave and who to become? Who must specify our direction? Is there any restriction? The other question, which i think is not so simple to answer is that, is the starting point of all of men the same? and the question this one has explicitly defined an answer to, can we be sure that no one is born a gay? It may need scientific researches by genetics professionals and may take a long time to find an answer for it, but if it may be proved that there are restrictions about what we’ve right to BECOME or continue to BE and if it may be also proved that we have this power, as the first creature, to change what we ARE, we should begin trying to change ourselves. Is there any proof?

  23. Horselips, you sure know how to hit the old left-wing button. Your right on the numbers. The more the left-wing [idiots] keep yelling for gun control the more guns are sold. It is funny that these peace loving liberals [at least that's what they maintain they are] keep hoping the conservatives or the right-wing DIE off.What a cheerful bunch these liberals are.

  24. These allegedly-hetero “family values” azz clowns are suspiciously obsessed with The Gays.

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