Second Class Citizens

Sit down and watch this video, you won’t regret it.
 

And now…

  

62 thoughts on “Second Class Citizens”

    1. Damn you beat me to it. My words exactly as I too am sitting here with a face full of tears. At 65 I have lived long enough to say that we have come along way.

  1. I really hope the documentary get’s made. People should be made aware that whatever they may think, we are still considered as second class citizens by many

  2. When websites that pro port to be advocates of homosexual rights cherry pick comments that are sanitized to appeal to heterosexual morays out of fear, how can we ever make any real progress.

    1. Cherry-picking is an age-old trick, done by both sides in most any debate. But then, it is only genuinely cherry-picking when a quote is taken out of context to make the speaker sound like they are espousing something entirely or materially different from what they actually mean. In most cases, when heterosexuals are quoted as being demeaning to, or disparaging of homosexuals, they mean precisely what they have been heard to say.

  3. Thx for posting this.
    Well, unfotunatly it is still a fact that gay’s & lesbians are rated as second class citizens.

    I still feel angry when i read things like “god hates fags”.

    That kind of people can not be named christians ’cause the bible never say’s someting like that.
    Jesus told the people to love each other, not to hate.

    1. I don’t because their god doesn’t exist so it’s as relevant as being told Leprechauns or the tooth fairy hates fags.

        1. In the words of Simon Amstell, “We have to treat [religious] people with kindness and love and respect in the same way you treat a child running around a party saying, ‘I’m a helicopter!!!’ So I say ,’Good for you! We’re all having fun, I’m a choo choo train!'”

          1. Yes, this show of Amstell was good. BUT, something goes wrong when children, who saying “I’m a helicopter!”, rules the world all other time. There can be no good while people considered as religious allowed to serious and, moreover, politic work.

  4. Thousands of years of Human socialisation are in constant flux, first it was the poor, then women’s rights, then black (civil) rights and now gay rights, all anybody really wants is equality, to be free as they are.
    This short film was amazing, it not only shows the current struggle for acceptance, but the victories for compassion, the changes that have already happened and the problems which are yet to come.
    Although the U.S. comes in for a kicking because of the religious intolerance, it is worth noting that this film is made from an exclusively American point of view, and as such is free to express an opinion.
    There are still many, many countries in this world who will actually imprison or execute gay people, just for existing.

    There’s a long way to go, not just for LGBT people…………for everyone.

  5. That was hard, i cried guys.
    I’m proud of my sexuality :)
    Long live to gay people hahaha♥ :’)

  6. What was the point of that overwhelming backround racket? To make it almost impossible to understand the messages being deliverered.

    Shouldn’t “backround” music be at least a couple of decible lower than the dialogue? I had to pause it several times just to get all the way through it

    Other than that it was well put together and of course very pertinent.

  7. Yep I teared up as well, as things have come a long way. Peace and respect and love to us all, regardless of orientation. Thank you Josh for posting this.

  8. We have to continue to fight. As an adult it’s been a lifetime of rising above. The biggest thing that breaks me down is the young ones. They are so brave in that they follow their hearts and come out young only to be mentally and physically beat down. I feel like these are our children and deserve better support. Great video.

  9. I didn’t tear up (maybe it didn’t hit home for me in the same way as a video documenting transgender separatism and hostility would), but I did have very strong feelings about the statements being made and I hope that the message will help to foster much needed change.

    ~Randy-boi

    1. What you say makes sense to me. Sex and gender issues can be complicated and confusing to many especially for a certain group who eschew biological explainations and are in favor of intelligent design. I guess Santorum would include you among his “polyamorous” classification. Your day will come. I never thought I’d see the day of gay rights.

      1. Huh? I am not polyamorous nor do I believe in intelligent design. What are you talking about? My day will come?

  10. The stuff at the beginning was really sinister and it is sad that many before Stonewall and some moves towards tolerance in the 60s and 70s had to be subjected to that hate. The latter day stuff is just the rantings of loons really and does not have any affect on me. If you want to read about dignity and bravery in the face of the kind of attitudes seen in the black and white parts of the clip, go read “The Naked Civil Servant” by Quentin Crisp”

  11. It’s ok if your gay, the (nearly) whole country is behind you.
    Just make sure no one under 18 falls in love with you, make sure it’s not the greek style, or you’ll spend the rest of your years in prison, beaten up by murderers, unable to work and forced to undergo psychiatric treatment.
    Like before for gays.

  12. A very powerful video. Thanks for posting it, Josh. When our Congress passed, and President Clinton signed, the so-called “Defense of Marriage Act,” I knew that I’d effectively been expelled from the constitutional order of my country. And from that of my state, when the voters passed Prop 8. I choose to remain loyal to the United States, but I deny categorically the right of the government to command my allegiance.

  13. Three steps forwards two steps back, seems we’ll get there eventually. But Dr. King once said that a right delayed is a right denied.

  14. This is really touching, my tears are running on my face. We are not second class people. Love you all guys.

    1. Yeah, it is a lot like the day I learned I had dyslexia which almost instantly melted away an entire childhood of guilt and self hate for being labled as dumb, stupid, retarted, lazy and slow along with the scoldings, the beatings, and discrimination from my teachers, family and peers. That day came relatively late in my life but a sweet day it was.
      This is a sweet video for all of us. Can’t wait to see the documentry and the effect it will have on this country and the world.

  15. things are only going to get worse :( suicide is on my mind daily from bullying from people around me “:( this video only makes me see the pain and suffering that other go through

    1. Jeremy, 211 is the info-line throughout most of the US. If you are truly considering suicide, I encourage you to call and find out about local resources for getting help or out of your current situation. If you are under constant threat of bullying, and are getting no effective response from your school, then contact the ACLU. If you tell them your situation, you’ll get their attention. They have teams of lawyers that are eager to take up your cause at no cost to you. Sometimes just one letter from them, to your school, will move heaven and earth. You are not without options, you are a beautiful creature, worthy of every opportunity for a happy, productive life; don’t let the bastards wear you down!

  16. to be hateing on religion because they hate gays is just as bad as vice versa. we have to end the cycle of hate to progress as this video shows us. its a proud day in america with the end of DADT but then rick santorum(look up santorum in google THANKS DAN SAVAGE) wants to reinstate it. which wont happen but hes got his homophobes in a rally which also shows that america doesnt belive in that idea cuz hes not front runner. AMERICA TRIES

      1. I’m not quite sure what you meant by “DADT was only a stepping stone, a compromise. It was not meant to last.”

        17 years was a hell of a lot more than any “stepping stone.” And, I can tell you that our Republican party and all of the evangelical/fundamentalist religious idiots sure as hell wanted DADT to last if they couldn’t get an outright law to forbid all gays & bisexuals from any and all military service (as well as all public offices if they had their way). The only “compromise” of DADT is that it’s impossible to determine who’s gay or not when they joined up.

  17. I feel insulted by being called a second class citizen, I have been insulted by many many offenses and being called a lot of things, but being classified as a second class citizen is for me, the most insulting act. How can somebody hate in that level, so many people that he or she dont even know? I love being a homosexual person because i would not be half the person I am if it would not been for being gay, it helped me to know me better thn any other thing or person would have made in the world. Tears comes from my eyes by trying to understand the causes of such hate and discrimination, but it makes me sick thinking that people is saying “it gets better”. Change must be done today, it is better and it could be better if we would fight for our rights as we deserve to.

    1. As in turn the other check? That would definately be trying. My attempt at dry humor.

  18. this video make me depressed to see what people go through and know that you cant do anything to help them is heartbreaking :(

    1. Dashiell gave some exellent advise in his above post. Follow it. I percieve your posting as a cry for help. It is tough when you are young. Many of us old timers here have been all through it and we are still here and long past the rough spot of adolescense. Somehow we got through it. You can to. Stay connected. There is a community here.

  19. Just wanted to make a little note on the Boy Scout part.

    The American “Boy Scouts” are very different from Scouting in most countries. They’re very militaristic. Scouting is an extremely open and tolerant organization.

    In fact, I have never seen so many boy/boy or girl/girl couples as when I was at the World Scout Jamboree in Sweden last year. It actually made me feel quite lonely, because I don’t have a boyfriend yet…

    1. American scouting is not all that bad. If pup tents could talk. Scouting is where all the nerds, geeks and fags are.

    2. I have sometimes wondered if I was personally responsible for the current gay-paranoia in the BSA today. Nah, probably is the fault of the Mormons like everybody says…

      1. Personally responsible? Are you referring to pup tent adventures? Eh, the Mormons. They are no fun.

  20. I found this video boring as shit. No bulling, discrimination or bad attitude gives you right to create so dull, boring, typilcal and cliche with all this whining music videos.

    All religious people ARE seriously mentally ill. While they’re exists and allowed to be angaged in any serious work (moreover politic), there can be no good for human kind.

    BUT all institution of marriage was created by religious fanatics who are similar to ones protecting it from gays now. While gays yelling anything about how we want to be allowed to get married, and moreover while gays really want to be allowed to get married, they are as fucked as religious fanatics themselfs.

    I do not want to be allowed to get married (and i am not), because I feel no need for stupid poinless ancient ritual created to control people. All I want is to be allowed to live life as I want it to be lived and love anyone I want to.

    I’m not telling there is no problems. I just discuss some of it. And this video is really shit.

    1. Religion, in some sense, is unavoidable. Everyone has a belief about how the world operates and exists. Since nobody knows all the answers, everyone must take some things on faith. This becomes a problem is when people enforce their views and opinions on others against their will.

      The institution of marriage has changed considerably over the millenia, and no religious fanatic could ever enforce a way of thinking on a population, without the cooperation of that population themselves.

      Marriage is desired in order to gain legal rights which are not given to individuals which merely live together. Such rights include the ability to visit dying loved ones in the hospital, tax deductions, mutual ownership of property and accounts, and inheritance.

      A famous example (borrowed from Dan Savage) is of a family (a woman and 3 children) who were barred from visiting their dying wife/mother in the hospital because their marriage was not legally recognized in the place they were vacationing. Imagine if someone close to you were dying and instead of being able to see them, you were discriminated against.

      I’m sorry to hear you did not enjoy this video.


      1. Matt:

        This becomes a problem is when people enforce their views and opinions on others against their will.

        Exactly. But I feel like “milkboys” isn’t quite the place for discussing things of that kind, so I must stop meself.


        Matt:

        Marriage is desired in order to gain legal rights which are not given to individuals which merely live together. Such rights include the ability to visit dying loved ones in the hospital, tax deductions, mutual ownership of property and accounts, and inheritance.
        A famous example (borrowed from Dan Savage) is of a family (a woman and 3 children) who were barred from visiting their dying wife/mother in the hospital because their marriage was not legally recognized in the place they were vacationing. Imagine if someone close to you were dying and instead of being able to see them, you were discriminated against.

        Great thanks for constructive answer! Now i feel meself full of ignorant-child-kind-shame, cuz this isn’t what I was thinking about while writing the post.
        Yes, I think. Given rights can be considered as a subtopic of marriage, but only as result of accepting the very idea of inevitability of marriage. Sorry for silly idealism, but hope never dies. The whole problem of marriage and the way people think of it (like something natural and useful) is bigger than all gays and they ability to be part of it. Rights people attach to the question of marriage is part of this big problem.
        So if you have absolute believe for marriage is something what must be tight with rights, you must fight for it, like for any others. But if you feel that question of who protecting which female from big scary predators while it feeding the child have no common with civil rights, then do anything you can for it be accepted as obsolete, silly, meaningless and no bigger than students or private clubs rites of passage thing. If you’re a doctor then do not prevent obviously close people of visiting someone ill, or ask person to make a list (before illness) of someone who can visit him. If you’re banker then never gives married people more chances to get money than just-a-couple (question of long-trust-payment-ability can be putted as argument against this, but it must die as marriage itself; make people pay if they own you, but before it do not select them by stupid believes). And finally go to the president, and after inauguration say that you’re separating whole question of marriage and state, and it will be connected no more.


        Matt:

        I’m sorry to hear you did not enjoy this video.

        It is absolutely in-my-humble-opinion thing, and this is really shit.

        1. Really sorry for errors. Go “for” a president I obviously mean. And list of ones who can visit or one who can decide who can.

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