The Police, your friend and… ah, never mind

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In the Academy for Learning in Dolton, Illinois, USA a 15-year-old kid with special needs got brutally beaten up by the police. It all started when an officer walked around the school hallway and verbally abused the boy. The poor kid tried to avoid him by walking away but the police officer just followed him and suddenly just bashed him into the wall, so hard that the boy fell right down, the officer just continues with the abuse, while the boy is telling him to stop and to let him stand up. The boy says later in an interview that he could hardly breathe, his nose got broken and his face was all swollen by the hitting.

This was all captured by a surveillance camera. The boy has a learning disability because he injured his brain when he was little. The police officer main job was to be at the school to protect the kids, but instead he got aggressive with this boy. No one from the academy commented the situation and the Dolton police department didn’t either. The boy has now been transferred to another school and is planning on filing a lawsuit.

Article by Stop Police Brutality

Congruously a recently published report on police brutality concludes: "Police in the US now rival criminals, and exceed terrorists as the greatest threat to the American public."

  

106 thoughts on “The Police, your friend and… ah, never mind”

  1. The chief police officer who finally set about sorting out the UK’s Metropolitan (London) Police in the 1990s said, on taking office, “The test of a decent police force is that it should catch more criminals than it employs; the Metropolitan Police currently fails that test.”

  2. That officer should have tried that over here, it’s career suicide…

    Maybe if he keeps his job (don’t hope so) he should get some sensitivity training…

    Looking at the behaviour of the cop I see resemblance to school bullies… same way of escalation: verbal abuse, Push, floor, beat silly…

    I just hope someday those governments will stand up and say: this is not how it should be, and we’ll fix it… abusing a suspect without reason to do so equals loss of job, desk job without chance of hitting the streets again or jail time (resisting arrest is a reason to get a bit abusive, but only if he’s fighting, not walking away or ignoring -because he just might think there’s something else going on)

  3. What bothered most is that the video didn’t bothered me that much… It happens so many times…

    What i am to understand is why some schools in America are so much like prisons…

    1. “Have you noticed that it is the most civilised gentlemen who have been the subtlest slaughterers, to whom the Attilas and Stenka Razins could not hold a candle, and if they are not so conspicuous as the Attilas and Stenka Razins it is simply because they are so often met with, are so ordinary, and have become so familiar to us.” -Fyodor Dostoevsky, Notes From the Underground, Part I, VII

  4. Can one of the Amerikans on here please explain to the rest of us why you have coppers in your schools.

    I am not aware of it being the norm anywhere else.

    The vid does prove the old saying;

    ACAB.

    ( All coppers are bastards!)

    1. I believe it’s related to the public’s fears over (a) kids bringing guns to school (b) drug related activity (c) miscellaneous criminal activities particularly in the ugly big cities (d) fears of children being abducted.

      I gather a lot of the schools also have metal detectors at the entrances now to deal with (a). Mind boggling unless you live in the US in which case I gather it’s viewed as normal.

      To what extent these fears are real/practical versus excessive paranoia I won’t get into.

      1. Well, I think that the fact that there are more guns than citizens in America, and dozens if not hundreds of kids have been shot in American schools to make it clear that these threats are real. The question is, are the response iss proportionate, or is like the whole paedophilia thing, where the kids lose more because of paranoia, than they gain through increased safety.

        1. In the schools that cover the education of the suburb-dwellers it is most often paranoia. In the rougher inner city schools a police presence is more justified only if there is a significant criminal presence in the school. I think though that in terms of pedophilia based paranoia the UK takes the cake, right? I have heard that in many places parents can’t even accompany their own kids to parks. I read of one instance where a man tried to take normal pictures of his son in a public place and got arrested for it.

        2. It’s not as common as Josh (or the media) would have you believe. Most schools do not have their own officer. The ones that do will only have one or two depending on their size (a school with 4000 students may have more than a school with 500). Most schools do not have metal detectors either.

  5. Drink this comment in everybody.

    While I was in school for Video and Film Production. One of my teachers told me that there are to halves to a moving picture show. The bits that you see, and the bits that you hear.

    I didn’t hear any audio on this recording. And if none of these other people have actually had to deal with snotty American high school kids, (let alone the ever victimized black folks), we ALL have no idea what that brat was saying to get a rise out of that cop.

    Justified action, No. Did that kid need punched in the face for being uppity? Maybe.

    1. Yeah, let’s go around bashing the heads of brain damaged “brats”. I hope you never fucking darken my doorstep Joshua, you fucking miserable wretch of an excuse for a human.

      1. In fairness, the cop has no way of knowing that the kid was brain damaged huh? I know a kid who is very subnormal, and he’s incredibly aggressive and offensive – not because he hates, but because he mistakenly thinks that that’s what he needs to do to survive all the pricks his age who take advantage of him. And he’s half right. But it doesn’t mean he’s not a total shit to be around.

        But I’ve always argued that ALL cops need to be held to 10 times higher standards than the rest of us, because they’re the ones with the authority AND THE GUNS!!!!

        They should also be paid a prince’s wage for the job they do, if they do it right.

        I wanna see much more comprehensive psych test screening of all cops, with ongoing evaluations every year to minimise this kind of loss of control. First question, “Do you like guns?” answer – “Yes” FAIL!!! “Do you think Dirty Harry is cool?” Yes? FAIL!!!

        1. In fairness, the cop worked at a school for children with disabilities…how could he not have known that the child had one?

          I sometimes wish that all police were civil rights activists. Then no one would suffer police brutality.

          A person should not be disqualified because they like guns or violent movies. Guns are needed for the protection of the people from government, not just to hunt or for home defense. We have that right here so that we can boot out our government if they get as unreasonable as yours was just before we booted them out with the help of the French. It wouldn’t be an unjustified move given all of the insanity passing through the legislature presently.

          Our government has been bought by corporations and banks. We are no longer truly free and we have not been a Democratic Republic since around the early 1900’s. Things will change. Particularly when everyone starts running out of oil.

          1. Lucian, I didn’t see that it as a school for kids with disabilities. But even that can be misleading. If the kid’s disability is that he has a violent temper and no impulse control… Not justifying the cop’s actions at all, but none of us know the full story.

            I was being a little playful about the screening criteria, but not much. I do think that cops who live in a fantasy reality (or simply believe in the idea) where the good guy gets his man at any cost need to be at the very least, re-educated, because that is the kind of above the law thinking that enables some cops to do whatever they like to get the job done.

            As for the right to bear arms, I say this not unkindly, but on that issue, some Americans are like a rape victim who has been so badly traumatised that s/he lives the rest of their life living unhappily in a single room rather than risk it happening again.

            You mention with some glee about you needing the help of the French to kick out the Brits, but that was 236 years ago! Are you still so paranoid as a nation that you all think that way?

            The entire civilised world manages to get along just fine without the ability to militarily overthrow its own government. In fact, what does it say about the psyche of anyone who rates that option as a serious concern? I think that you are showing a wild west frontier attitude that is simply practicable or applicable in the modern age.

            And let’s be honest, if things ever kick off, a bunch of untrained civilians and a few thousand survivalists versus the Army and the Reserves and all their high tech, shoot you from space hardware is not going to be much of a fight – guns or no.

            Just say you could mobilise everybody to overthrow the government? 200 million people versus the forces of the wealthy who are happy with the status quo. It would be more carnage than WW2! I truly hope it never happens because I love you guys, but I think passive resistance and a refusal to use services by a group that large is a far more effective weapon.

            The funny thing is, America has been taken over by stealth by immigrants over the last couple of decades, and hardly a shot has been fired.

            And I absolutely agree with you about the government being bought by corporates.

            It really looks to me, as though you were afraid of the wrong enemy.

            But for all that, isn’t life in America still pretty amazingly great compared to most of the planet?

          2. “K” is just another buffoon who can’t read. We should have a cop beat the shit out of him for poor reading comprehension.

            1. I don’t know what your problem is buddy, but you’re starting to sound like an annoying little dog that yaps moronically at everyone.

              Mindlessly hating the police is every bit as stupid and mindlessly loving them – more so probably because the only person your hate is going to hurt is you.

              I can read perfectly well thank you – at no point in the synopsis does it say that it was a SCHOOL for disabled or special needs – it says that the student in question was disabled.

              I admit, I didn’t watch the video where it did clearly state that it was a special needs school, because I find it unpleasant to watch kids getting beat up by adults. Perhaps I lack your childish passion for pointless confrontation.

    2. problem is joshua surveillance videos don’t have sound. Now the legal bit this officer is on duty in a school he is in a position of trust. the child is underage. double felony.

      He had no business attacking a child. you have none in trying to justify it.

  6. I have sent an email to the Mayors office of the village of dolton IL., and urge all to do the same. It doesn’t matter what the teenager may have said, it is unprofessional, and detestable. please write the mayor demanding the firing of the officer.

  7. As mentioned, this happened nearly 2 years ago.

    There are police officers in SOME schools because of in-school violence, or the danger of it (school shootings, drugs etc)

    1. And the police are also scumbags. Oink! Oink! Don’t ever forget that. If you think the policeman is your friend, you are certifiably insane.

    2. If you looked at the additional information about this nice policeman you have learned that he has already murdered someone and is a rapist. That my dear asshole, Brink, is a lot more than “unprofessional”.

        1. Sorry Brink, I meant to address my asshole comment to Audaciter, not you!

          Asshole pig-lover Audaciter.

          1. Wow.

            You don’t know anything about me. You also clearly have no idea what you are talking about.

            1. I’ve already learned too much about you from your babble. In fact, I am trying to forget about you and people like you who never stop kissing the ass of the status quo.

            2. lol

              Who are you?

              What are you on about?

              Edit: I just noticed your comment below. I am a fascist now?

          2. Joe,

            You really need to treat the other posters on Milkboys with a little more civility and respect. There is a difference between honesty and directness, which I think most everyone values, and meaningless personal attacks, which contribute nothing.

            1. Sure, treating some of the fascists on this board “with civility and respect” would be the first symptom of Stockholm Syndrome.

            2. Sockholm syndrome? Which has no relevance to this conversation. Nobody is forcing you to stay against your will. You are not a victim here, and lashing out against those who don’t share your views is childish in the extreme. This is for comments and discussion not abuse.

              I actually have an innate mistrust and dislike of the police, but I’m not so blinded by juvenile hatred that I cannot see the need for them, nor the good that they do. To dismiss them in their entirety is to throw the baby out with the bathwater, and to call anyone who shows them a bit of support, a “fascist” is not only technically wrong, it’s inane in the extreme.

              But if you want to continue broadcasting the depths of your ignorance to the world, by my guest…

    3. Audaciter, you are right on point. The police are usually in schools because of student-on-student violence, usually gang or drug related. Chicago schools obviously have a lot of police presence. Here in middle Illinois, the local city high schools usually have non-police level security guards, without guns. The small farm community high schools have no security. They are so small that the every teacher knows every student, and probably their brothers and sisters and their parents. They can pretty well predict problems and intervene before they become too big.

      Interestingly, the colleges and Universities here have extensive police forces, with the same power to make arrests as city or county police. They even have their own police districts. Even the community college I taught at had its own police district. I was glad they were there. I knew that I would have help within a minute or two of a problem starting if I needed it. I was not worried as much about violence against me, as I was about a student having a seizure, which happened once, or a student with mental problems causing a major class disruption, which also happened once, or some other such problem. I worked for three years at a small community college in upstate New York that had no police or even security guards. My only resource as a teacher would have been to call 911 (the emergency number in most of America), with a ten to fifteen minute response time. Fortunately, nothing happened while I worked there.

  8. It’s a shame it happened, but if you’re being democratic then you need to understand both sides of the story. Currently, you’re making assumptions and drawing conclusions.

    Secondly,

    Congruously a recently published report on police brutality concludes: “Police in the US now rival criminals, and exceed terrorists as the greatest threat to the American public.”

    That comment is a load of bollocks and you know it.

    I assume you won’t call a police officer should a criminal break into your house?

    Spineless mentality to smear all police officers with the same brush that you apply to the small minority of corrupt police officers. This is called collective punishment, and we would never draw those conclusions about anyone so don’t draw them about police officers.

    What about all the police officers who march in the New York gay parade? All of the police officers who draw a line and avoid brutal physical fights when intolerant people shout things like “God hates you” at gay marches? Are these police officers your enemy as well?

    Get off of your computer, out of your cave and into the real world. Your simplified, black-and-white mentality of victimising all for the actions of a few is not only laughable and ignorant, but spineless and cowardly.

    1. I thought I was the only one that noticed…. my debating on hitting submit on my comment below ment I didn’t see this till immediately after I posted my comment.

      1. I read the article that mentions the report (the one you posted). I also read the bit that you disingenuously posted as the conclusion of the report. A quote that was spoken under Reagan, and in no relation to this report. I also noticed that this report covers one city’s police department, not the entire country as you would have people so believe.

        “Congruously a recently published report on police brutality concludes: “Police in the US now rival criminals, and exceed terrorists as the greatest threat to the American public.”

        ^^This is a shameful distortion of the facts, on par with the likes of Fox News.

      2. I read the report and I still think your comment on the police is a load of rubbish. Police brutality sucks and there’s a lot of it out there but that isn’t every officer out there.

    2. That quote, “Police in the US now rival criminals, and exceed terrorists as the greatest threat to the American public.” was originally made by Paul Craig Roberts, the Under Secretary of the Treasury under Ronald Reagan and a former editor of the Wall Street Journal.
      P.S. Show the white interlopers in Australia the door and give the country back to its rightful owners, the indigenous people we so quaintly call “aboriginals”.

    3. “I assume you won’t call a police officer should a criminal break into your house?”
      Likely not…

      “This is called collective punishment, and we would never draw those conclusions about anyone so don’t draw them about police officers.”
      I would, i believe every cop is corrupt, less or more…

      “What about all the police officers who march in the New York gay parade? All of the police officers who draw a line and avoid brutal physical fights when intolerant people shout things like “God hates you” at gay marches? Are these police officers your enemy as well?”
      Aren’t they paid with taxes to protect the people?? They are just making their job…

    4. I think that there is an innate problem with being a police officer, just as there is in being a politician. They often start with all the right intentions, but along the way they become someone very different.

      For police, it comes from starting to see the public as devious, troublesome, violent and dishonest, which is the main side of them that the police see. Also, the power and authority starts to give them a feeling of elitism and superiority.

      Perhaps there are some who are strong enough to resist, and remain both professional, impartial and respectful towards the public, but I’ve met precious few. Instaed, this psychological process happens and they start to lose their empathy and see us all as nuisances to be managed.

      1. This brings to mind the movie of a couple years ago, “Crash”, which covered this idea in depth. Quite a good movie, and recommended. Very good character study / psychological drama. Very good indeed.

        1. Spot on Kevin.
          The movie “Crash” is based on the book by the same name written by J. G. Ballard who just died two years ago. He was a fucking genius!

          “Remember, the police are neutral. They hate everybody. Being law-abiding has nothing to do with being a good citizen. It means not bothering the police.” – J. G. Ballard, Millennium People, 2003

  9. “Congruously a recently published report on police brutality concludes: “Police in the US now rival criminals, and exceed terrorists as the greatest threat to the American public.””

    This statement is irresponsible at best where it is in the article you link to and only more so when it’s used to introduce a report that’s exclusively about a single city and, with a few exceptions, about events that occurred during or in the aftermath of one of the worst natural disasters to hit the US in the last 20 years.

    If this is how this blog is going to present current events, I’d just as soon see its focus return to the beautiful boys that were the reason I started visiting it.

    1. @Sixle, Read the original piece that quote is taken from, written by Paul Craig Roberts here:
      http://www.tulanelink.com/stories/policebrutality_11a.htm

      He ends that with the statement “And “our” government assures us that we have “freedom and democracy.” We have a police state, and everyone who forgets it is in deep trouble….”

      Read about Paul Craig Roberts and his impeccable background and credentials here:
      http://www.tulanelink.com/tulanelink/paulcraigroberts_box.htm

      1. I know where it comes from, it does nothing to change my opinion. Esp about it’s placement as the intro to the story it links to.

  10. It is very wrong. this was beating to they people. Same happen Police in uk. police uk need change behaviour and wash my tax,vat to police uk. cut police uk now

    1. I don’t know which UK you live in, but I never see a policeman from one month to the next, and for as long as I can remember, everyone has been complaining that police numbers are too low.

  11. That quote “Police in the US now rival criminals, and exceed terrorists as the greatest threat to the American public.” was written by Paul Craig Roberts. He was Under Secretary of the Treasury under Ronald Regan and an Editor of the Wall Street Journal.

    Roberts if one of my favorite journalists writing today. Read him on the excellent site called CounterPunch which he frequently writes for:
    http://www.counterpunch.org/

  12. Uff, this makes me so so sooo fucking angry, it makes me wanna put a .38 hollow point right between his sorry eyes. You know, that approach would solve a lot of problems with this kind of people. I know, it sounds wrong, but if you take every single fucking point of view, in which one, does this approach a little bit to a positive attitude?? Tell me.

        1. Well, that’s as may be, but if it makes you feel any better, when I showed this story to a few of my cop friends, they expressed a similar sentiment.

  13. I have said it before, and I’ll say it again, I know plenty of stand-up men and women who are conscientious, professional police officers, who deeply care about the people they serve. While it’s easy to judge in retrospect, this man should never have been allowed to wear a badge again (if at all), and his actions were clearly beyond the pale. In any case, he does not represent the whole of career police officers.

    1. I never wanted to imply that there are no good cops. Of course there are. Obviously not all of them are like the one in the case above. The problem is: Too many are. And even if only 10% of all cops are like that it’s a serious problem that needs to be faced until stuff like this stops to happen.

      1. According to Ask.com there are 683,396 police officers in the United States. The percentage of bad ones is no where near 10% or 68,340. If there are 600 egregious bad cops like this one that makes it 0.1% Even 3,000 bad cops would only be 0.5% If there we that many bad cops, we would hear about a lot more reports like this one than we do.

          1. Josh,
            A list of exceptions is not a valid counterargument to a statistical generality, unless the list is long enough to disprove the percentages involved. To get to your 10% figure, the list would have to contain tens-of-thousands of examples. K has a much better argument against my post below.

        1. > If there we that many bad cops, we would hear about a lot more reports like this one than we do.

          No Scott, I don’t believe we would, and I’ll tell you why if I may. The problem is not the bad cops, per se – the out of control psychos like this one *appears* to be. The problem is the massive conspiracy of silence by the majority of so-called “good” cops, who close ranks to protect the reputation of the force. Omerta isn’t just a code within the Mafia. I believe that the majoriity of police would look the other way if they heard that a fellow cop had behaved like this, rather than make ripples, bring the force into disrepute, or get ostracised by others in the force.

          Until the “good” cops remember that their primary mission is to serve the public, not protect each other, these kind of cops will continue to be sheltered until they’re foolish enough to get caught on film.

          And whilst we’re on the subject – WTF is with the law preventing members of the public from filming cops now?! So cops can behave any way they like without witnesses? Ridiculous. They should be exposed to MORE scrutiny than the rest of us, not less.

          1. Excellent argument, K, and I didn’t think of that when I was writing my post. There are probably many abuses that are not reported just for that reason. I live in a medium sized city in Illinois about 100 miles south of Dolton, Illinois where this happened. From my experience I would rate the police and the politicians pretty good here. I might have a different opinion if I lived in the Chicago area, especially if I were black.

            By the way, that case about videotaping the police is an Illinois state law. I was flabbergasted when I heard about it. I agree with you totally — it is an astoundingly bad law, and I feel much less safe because of it. I hope it gets overturned as unconstitutional.

            1. Scott, so that videotaping law only exists in Illinois? Well that’s certainly a relief. Let’s hope it’s a one off.

              Yes, I too don’t have much problem with the police in my town, except for their slowness to respond to trouble. However, I live in a pretty rural place, so if I lived in a city, I might also have a different opinion. My main and abiding issue with the police everywhere, is their patronising attitude. I know that they need to maintain an air of authority, but it’s a fine line.

              Still, a lightyear away from this video, so if that’s my biggest worry, I suppose I have it pretty easy! :-)

            2. Honestly, it doesn’t surprise me in the least that Illinois would have a law like that as corrupt as that state is in general (and Chicago is in particular).

  14. I can’t comment on the police force in America at all, but I know for sure that the police force in the UK is MASSIVELY underrated.
    People who speak negatively about the police over here have probably never had an encounter with an officer before, and make their judgements based on the thankfully tiny number of reports of police behaving badly.
    Like I said, no idea if the same is true about America, but I wouldn’t be surprised, we’re all human.

    1. I wish more people would refrain from commenting on things with which they have no experience. Bravo.

        1. May I ask you then? Did you get molested by a police officer when you were younger or something? Because you sure act like the officer’s cock is still up there.

  15. School police jobs like this guy had are much lower paying than city, county, or state professional career police positions, and have lower standards. Usually they attract two kinds of people — semi-retired career police officers that still want to work but want a relatively stress free job, and police wanna-be’s that can’t get hired to a standard governmental police force. Sometimes those wanna-be’s are young people on their way to a good career, but some them are also the classic “not much difference between the criminal and police” types. Obviously this guy falls in that last category. He is not representative of police in general in the U.S. As an American I worry more about police corruption from drug money, or persistent institutional racism in the police, than I do about an obvious “bad apple” such as this guy. I’m sure those are problems in other countries as well.

    1. Miles, notice in the first diagram in that wikipedia article that the rate of incarceration is about the same as the growth of the population until 1980, and then it skyrockets upward. 1980 is the year Ronald Reagen got elected and the so called “Conservative Revolution” started. This is not an accident.

      Also notice on a lower graph that 5% of black men are in jail. Since most people in jail are in their 20’s and 30’s, if you are a young black man in America, your chance of being in jail are more like 10% or 15%. However, not ONE of the criminals on Wall Street that almost threw the world into another Great Depression has gone to jail. (Well, except for Bernie Madoff, but he stole from the rich).

      The American criminal justice system is racist, pure and simple. It is also classist. If you’re “respectably” well off you get treated reasonably well. If you are poor, you get very different, harsher treatment.

      1. Scott, the chief of the Met, the UK’s biggest police force, was once asked to explain why a black youth was many times more likely to be approached under our stop and search laws than a white person. He responded candidly, because they commit a proportionately greater amount of crime. He was forced out of his job amidst cries of racism, but surely, the simple admission that one targets the policing proportionally to the level of criminal activity, is simply a matter of statistics, not racism?

        Political correctness cost a competent man his job.

        As for classism, again, I wonder if it’s classism per se, any more than it would be sizeism or strengthism to observe that school bullies primarily pick on those smaller or weaker than themselves.

        Wealthy people can afford to fight back, and a lot of the time, that’s all it takes to evade punishment. It’s not about class, it’s about means.

        Are individual lawyers, police and judges racist? Of course some are, and perhaps a great number fall into the trap of racial profiling, in an environment that should be about equality.

        Personally, I’d like to see all lawyers have to spend the first ten years of their lives working pro bono, with modest salaries paid by the state. This would give them proper perspective, but it would also increase the amount of legal representation available to the middle and lower classes.

        1. That completely ignores why crime happens though. Yes, if you drew someone out of a hat in a city that is mostly black, you’d probably get a black guy. But crime isn’t caused by someone randomly drawing something out of a hat, it’s caused by criminals with motivation. Prejudice, poverty, revenge, covering up other crimes, mental disorders, there’s a whole range of reasons why people commit crime. Saying most of the criminals in a city are going to be black is a pretty ignorant statement to make. You’re using statistics completely wrong.

          1. Pieman, I would remind you that he is a policeman who’s duty is to prevent and detect crime, not to ponder over the social reasons for it. Stop and search is/was a policy that was aimed at preventing carrying of knives and possibly drugs.

            I agree that there may be social reasons why more black youths than white committing crimes, and that needs to be addressed by the appropriate authorities, but if you’re being stabbed to death by a black youth, you won’t give a rat’s behind about the social problems that lead him to carry a knife and pick on you, and that’s the bottom line.

            Incidentally, while you are arguing for more compassion, your exact same argument could be applied to paedophiles and rapists, but funnliy enough, no-one ever seems to make those kind of empassioned pleas for them…

            1. And the best way to prevent crime is to eliminate the causes behind it. Would you not agree?

              Also, you’re making a neat little strawman here. First with the compassion thing, which I never mentioned once, and second with the pedophile thing, assuming I think they’re scum without any backing for this at all. I recognize there is a distinction between child molesters and pedophiles and I have no problem with the latter, only the former. But none of this doesn’t have anything to do with my other claims, so I’d like to ask you not to bring it up again.

            2. I absolutely agree that the best way to eliminate crime is to deal with its causes, but there will always be a need for crime detection policing because there will always be crime, so it is reasonable and sensible to target your detection towards those most likely to have carried it out.

              Example – a shopping mall: police arrive to find a person who has been beaten unconscious. The mall is filled with old ladies and teenaged males. Is it logical to target your questioning at the old women (except for evidence gathering) when the odds are massively against any of them having carried out the crime?

              No one is saying that police should not work in the community to tackle the other causes of crime, and they do, but when they are out on the street detecting and preventing, then they should focus their efforts where the crimes are most likely to emanate from.

            3. You question the people who were witnesses and likely suspects at the crime based on evidence. You’re continuing to think with pre-conceived notions of who can be a criminal and who can’t be a criminal. If you find a bottle of Tylenol arthritis and an AARP card on the scene of the crime are you going to question the black guy just because old ladies are too innocent to beat someone to death with a cane? Investigations don’t work that way.

            4. Pieman – I disagree with your assessment.

              I already qualified my example by suggesting that the old ladies could be questioned for evidence gathering. I also said the odds were massively against one of them having committed a crime of violence – not inconceivable.

              It really is taking impartiality to the extreme to suggest that police should consider EVERY person within range of a crime as a potential suspect. Indeed, many injustices have been committed precisely because they were too quick to dismiss the actual perpetrator. But in cases where lives are at risk, and resources limited, and time often of the essence, the police simply must narrow their field of vision to the most likely targets.

              You suggest that the police should question people based upon the evidence? The evidence suggests that black people are more likely to carry knives.

              Police profiling is a hot topic across the western world, and if you are within the demographic that receives additional police attention it must be infuriating, but profiling is a common policy within the forces of every country, even if they claim otherwise.

            5. Actually, in the US, it’s unconstitutional for police to search anyone’s property or person unless they have a warrant, your permission, or they can prove they have probable cause to do so (ex. they hear a gunshot in a house). If they don’t have any of those three things, no evidence they obtain as a result of the search is admissible in court…. which most likely means you’ll get off scott-free.

              When I was in HS, the police in the county I grew up in got into a LOT of trouble due to a class action lawsuit that was filed because they were randomly pulling over cars (mostly driven by teenagers) and searching them without even giving the driver a reason for pulling them over.

            6. Sixle – I was referring to the UK, where I think stop and search is still legal. It raised a stink when it was introduced, and I don’t know if it worked, but it’s been with us a while now.

        2. K, as usual, you are making good arguments, but I think in this case your arguments are supporting what I am saying. When I talk about “classism”, I’m using the American view of class as essentially equal to means, not the British view of hereditary class. Our legal system harshly discriminates against the poor. White collar crime is treated very leniently, especially when you consider the relative dollar amounts. You are absolutely correct that the wealthy can usually evade punishment.

          The problem is systemic, and not primarily the result of individual lawyers, police, or judges, which for the most part are not racist or classist. But they are just implementing the day-to-day processes of the legal system, and can’t do anything about the legal system as a whole. I stand by my conclusion that the American legal system is racist, pure and simple. The statistics are just too skewed to be explained by cultural or economic differences, especially if you start trying to include the crime that doesn’t result in actual incarceration. Think of it this way: The kid from the inner city doing minor drug deals goes to jail. Those kids are disproportionately black. The kid from affluent suburbia doing minor drug deals either doesn’t get arrested because the police are ignoring those crimes, or gets probation. The drug distributor might get caught, but only after he has done orders of magnitude more harm than either of the kids, and then he has a team of lawyers to get him off. The organized crime boss controlling the whole thing never gets touched.

          The incarceration rate for blacks is five times the rate of whites. They are NOT committing five times the criminal acts per capita as white people, especially if you include the crimes that people get away with without being entangled in the legal system.

          I’m fully aware I’m using an argument based on the statistical analysis of the results of a system. It’s the same argument as deciding if a school system is segregated based on the actual percentages of the racial make up of the various schools. This is valid reasoning. If a system results in statistics that clearly show racism, then it’s valid to say that the system is racist.

          1. Scott, thank you for clarifying. Yes, I take and accept your explanations. I’m not very familiar with the US justice system, but I suspect that rural police have a tendency to be a little more relaxed than city police, and as more black people live in the cities, that in itself works against them. I have no evidence for that – just a general feeling based on the nature of the job.

  16. The officer in this video shouldn’t be carrying a badge, let alone working in a school for “disabled” students!!! Most law officers are fine, dedicated professionals who do their best most of the time. This guy is not one of them, and never should have been.
    Sadly in this country we can’t get the “Drunk Drivers” off the road, so it’s understandable that we have a difficult time preventing the “wrong” people from joining the world of Law Enforcement!

  17. Hey folks, this happened two years ago and this criminal is no longer an officer – he’s in prison on rape charges. He’ll never be a cop again – if he survives prison. The guy I’d be going after is the supervisor who put him into the school in the first place, without assuring he had the right temperment and training for the assignment.

  18. As an Officer,I find this video to be incredibly disturbing. It appears that other students are trying to pull the officer off the kid. When that happens…you have gone too far,and are no longer protecting and serving noone.

  19. I sometimes wonder if the public are well served by releasing a steady stream of stories like this. I mean, we all know that there are bad apples in every barrel, and cops are only human like the rest of us, but whipping everyone up into a never-ending frenzy of generalised cop hatred over what are incredibly rare incidents doesn’t seem beneficial.

    But of course, we all have a right and a desire to know what our civil servants are doing, and pandora’s box cannot be closed…

    In the UK 5 or 6 years ago, a 15 year old Scottish boy called Kris Donald was murdered by Pakistanis in a racially motivated hate crime. The boy was completely innocent and not even known to the murderers, and they tortured him horribly before killing him. It could have ignited racial tensions in the part of Glasgow where it happened, but instead, the mother refused to give hateful soundbites to the press, and mos of the national press didn’t cover the story.

    Of course the white supremacists claimed it was a cover up, but I saw it as a rare moment of social responsible by our usually detestable press, which prevented riots that could have cost many lives.

    1. I agree, stories like this may sell newspapers and attract viewers, but they do little good for society unless there’s a true epidemic of such behavior.

      Similar to all the stunned reports of shark attacks in Florida right before 9/11 when there were actually FEWER shark attacks that year then previous years.

  20. I would instruct my lawyer: get him fired and then go for his savings, his house and his pension.

  21. I am always amazed at how many creepy police supporters there are on this forum whenever a topic like is brought up by Josh.

    Here are a bunch of dudes coming here to gawk and drool at and over young boys. Do you have any idea of what the status quo in America (and elsewhere too) thinks of you? What they would like to do to you? You are already viewed as being more disgusting, more criminal, more dangerous than murderers and terrorists. When you are put in prison, on any charge, and if the prison population discovers your sexual tastes, you will be torn apart, limb from limb. And yet, there are so many here that support this system.

    This is what I find pathetic.

    1. Joe, there’s a lot of truth in what you say. The legal system is not my friend and I want as little interaction with it as I can. But I’ve also been helped by it, and the police, a couple of times in my life.

      If you read my posts on Milkboys, you know that I have many criticisms of American society. But I also have the capability of seeing the grey areas, the contradictions, and the good within a flawed system, including the police. That is not pathetic. That is being realistic.

  22. that officer had no right to do soo and not tucking your shirt in should be protected under the first admendment “freedom of speech”
    and to the second comment on this post –there was nothing American about the attack. and thats a little harsh to say that! unlawful crimes by an atthority figure happen every where in the world we just happen to catch some on tape…

  23. @miles

    Americans believe that if you spend more money on more police to lock up more people that you will eventually solve your social problems. The “War on Drugs” began with Nixon and since then the USA has spent over a trillion dollars on solving the illicit drug issue. It has only grown worse, far worse today than it ever was, and so much so that vast areas of Mexico have become “killing fields”. Whole nations have become destabilized following America’s lead in this area.

    America proves the fact that no matter how much money you spend, and how many laws you enact, and how many police you employ, and how many prisons you build that you will only make that society a far worse place than it was to begin with in the process. You cannot legislate social problems out of existence.

    This is the very reason that people such as Herbert Marcuse’s illustrious student, Angela Davis, has suggested abolishing the prison system. It doesn’t work, it is bankrupting the nation, and creates far more problems than it solves.

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