20 thoughts on “Think Different”

    1. Thanks Dan. I have many heros on that list I did not know were gay. Most all were extremely creative and artistic. A frivolous trait many would say.

    2. I would prefer facts to be taught (or good theory – like gravity) in school. In what way does this list help anything. Especially when the heading to the list brings us this pearl of wisdom, “This many people can’t be wrong, maybe straight men should explore homosexuality” and in that statement a link that leads me to this utter crapulous bollocks – 9 reasons straight men should explore homosexuality.

      http://www.ranker.com/list/9-good-reasons-straight-men-should-explore-homosexuality/ian-tindell?limit=25

      Makes me want to say “god created adam and eve not adam and steve” a thousand times and turn straight. SATIRE, BANG, There’s your satire.

      Perhaps one would be better learning the workings of Peter Tatchell and OutRage in the UK

      http://www.petertatchell.net/direct_action/mugabe.htm

      or Sisters of perpetual indlugence – http://thesisters.org/ in the USA – I hope the documentary maker will make room for Tatchell and the Sisters in his documentary.

      Than worrying about trite lists.

      1. Shakes head while repeating no over and over again.

        My point was simply that most gay kids that think that they are alone and will never amount to anything because they are “different” have no idea of the legacy left by previous gays that so many would want to see expunged from all history books. Knowing about them would make them realize how much value they actually have instead of believing that they are subhumans like, yup, here it comes, roll the drums please, the bigots and religious zealots would oh so like those kids to believe. Also, knowing about all those gays through out history will make them ready to go to the next step to unsersdant more complex topics as those covered in your link about Mugabe.

        Before you go into spontaneous combustion I didn’t say that the links you posted are irrelevant. I simply see them as as needed as that list. At least I didn’t say they were trite, eh?

        Here is an other list that will be more to your liking.

        http://www.lambda.org/famous.htm

        It’s not that I’m not trying to please you, eh?

        1. Why would I wish to spontaneously combust, your defending yourself is enough for me to laugh and laugh. You should read my list of comedy greats.

          However, the vogue of outing people from history and making assumptions regarding a persons sexuality and then using their sexuality as some sort of weapon is as useful as a chocolate tea pot. Or maybe, people should still be baptised post-mortem as some kindly religions did in the past to assert greater membership of their tribe.

          So, the list should say, “this is a very speculative list of people who might have been gay, apart from the ones like Oscar Wilde (married with children) et al. who were confirmed (?) as preferring sexual relationships with the same gender. with that in mind, and knowing that very few a) confessions b) first hand accounts exist. So, with that in mind treat the majority of the list as a novelty – please add to the list with as many figures from history as you can name.

          As for my links, it was more to do with the post than to counter your lists. When I was 13 I know that I would much prefer to hear about the Sisters, rather than to be told yet again that the Greeks did enjoy a lot of bum fun.

          1. However, the vogue of outing people from history and making assumptions regarding a persons sexuality and then using their sexuality as some sort of weapon is as useful as a chocolate tea pot.

            It’s the “outing” part that I don’t understand. While you make an awesome point about assumptions as it really does apply to many of those names in that list or any other similar lists many were well known to be gay. For me outing is something that would apply to a living person and not a historical person. Or am I wrong?

            While you are laughing here’s a funny thing I can add here. You actually informed me of something I had no knowledge about, that being the Sisters and their website. I will make sure to go give it a good look around and even point it out to one of my friends.

      2. Unknown:
        “I would prefer facts to be taught (or good theory – like gravity) in school. In what way does this list help anything.”

        I’m not sure why you would make that first statement parenthetical, except maybe to imply that everything “taught” in schools is bad, or unnecessary(?). But with “gravity,” you’re finally getting something taught? And, I’ll assume the second statement is actually a question(?).

        Back to the point Dan was trying to make. We (all of us gays and bis) need to know who before us accomplished great things and helped changed future generations for the better in the ways of knowledge (that important ingredient the religious keep fighting off).

        Let’s see, we have no problem idolizing people like Michael Jordan*** (and others in $ports) but you have a problem just because one of our great thinkers is now known to be homosexual? Particularly since all religions go out of their way to demonize any and all homosexuals. (Just one “heterosexual” example out of millions.)

        Keep thinking along those lines and you’ll stay “largely unknown” for the rest of your life.

        What was that you said? Oh, yeah, “I know nothing at all about the subject but everytime I log on I see the welcome back and all that pretty white space and cannot contain myself.”

        *** Let’s see, Michael Jordan’s “talent” (along with any 6-1/2 foot or taller basketball player): The basketball’s goal rim (hoop) is exactly 10 feet from the floor (regulation). MJ is 6’6″ with I’m pretty sure an arm-span of at least 3 feet which brings his “reach” to at least 9-1/2 feet (without stretching or jumping). So, putting a ball into a hoop that is only 1/2 foot above his “reach” really makes him “talented,” doesn’t it? Particularly since anyone of that height (or taller) can easily jump at least 1 to 1-1/2 feet without even trying. But, yet, we idolize him and give him Ten$ of Million$ per year for that? And I challenge you to find even one person in today’s middle or high school that hasn’t heard of Michael Jordan. And it’s his “talent” that makes him so “great,” right? Without his goals, he wouldn’t be where he is today — all because of that 1/2-foot reach.

        …………. This puts it in a different perspective, don’t you think? I’m quite sure knowing about a tall b-ball player is going to make me more intelligent — right?

        1. Correction:
          I shouldn’t have used the word, “stretching.” Change to: “(without jumping)” Sorry about that.

        2. “I’m not sure why you would make that first statement parenthetical, except maybe to imply that everything “taught” in schools is bad, or unnecessary(?). But with “gravity,” you’re finally getting something taught? And, I’ll assume the second statement is actually a question(?).”

          Perhaps you prefer. In school facts are taught. In school theories are taught.

          http://www.grammar-quizzes.com/punc-paren.html
          I am sure this will help your understanding of parentheses.

          As for the rest of your Michael Jordan quote, I don’t understand any of whatever point you are trying to make and if you are trying to say I wrote that then you have pasted the wrong person. I do stick by the “must write in white space” assertion I made regarding your input to the comments. Mainly because your above reply proves it to be true.

        3. I won’t ask you guys again to take your private flame wars to another place, the next time any of you is abusing the comments for your playground fights against each other I’ll just delete these comments without further notice.

  1. This is good. Really good. The ever too brief clip of Matthew Shepard made me replay it again and again. That was the first film clip I have seen of Matthew. He really was a cute kid, what a waste. His story made a profound impression on me at the time and far beyond my ability to explain or even comprehend.

    1. Both speak out for basic human rights — including “being” gay. You can “think differently” all you want, but in today’s political (and religious) climate, we need all the help and recognition we can get for the betterment of future generations.

      How’s that for “different?”

      1. Read something by Howard Zinn or Noam Chomsky & then revisit the idea that H.Clinton is a supporter of ‘human rights’. That we rally around pop celebrities in our intellectual/cultural struggles is not something to celebrate.

        What you’ve put forward isn’t different at all really. It’s a very liberalist(using that in the internationalist not american sense), very mainstream, pro-status quo take on how social change ought to occur.

        The reason I’d ‘think differently’ instead of ‘think different’ is because grammar is the basis of structured reasoning.

      2. PenboyX, while I agree with you about Lady Gaga I do have problems with Hillary. I see her as just being politically correct and saying what is “popular” for the party line, a party that doesn’t really care about rights and doing her job pointing the finger at others forgetting the four fingers pointing back at her. But then, ironically, you are perfectly right about getting help from where ever it comes from.

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