To Russia with Love

Two top-level Russian footballers have sparked outrage after a series of ‘gay’ holiday pictures have emerged. Pavel Mamayev, 24, a midfielder for CSKA Moscow, and Alexander Kokorin, 21, a striker from FC Dynamo Moscow, are believed to be in a relationship after ‘intimate’ photographs of them were posted on the internet.

On VK.ru, an Eastern-European social network similar to Facebook, Kokorin posted one of the pictures, saying ‘I love him’. Other snaps include the two hugging, sharing dinner, going to a basketball game, and having a bath together. As soon as the holiday snaps were uploaded on a popular sports blog, it caused a furore of discussion on internet forums. Neither of the players has commented on the holiday pictures, with only Kokorin continuing to upload photographs from their visit to the USA on Twitter.

The pictures come a week after a top fan club for St Petersburg’s football team Zenith said they do not want black, South American or gay players.  Publishing the manifesto on their website, they said: ‘We are not racists, but the absence of black or gay players in the Zenith lineup is an important tradition that underlines the identity of the club, and nothing more.’

Worldwide, the only two footballers to ever come out as gay and continue playing have been Anton Hysén  from Sweden and Justin Fashanu. Fashanu was the first, and only, English footballer to come out in 1990. Eight years later, he committed suicide.

Some other players like English super star David Beckham, Swedish Freddie Ljungberg and recently Matt Jarvis have expressed their support for gay players and fans by appearing on the cover of the gay Attitude magazine.

  

40 thoughts on “To Russia with Love”

  1. Ironic considering the struggles that the LGBT movement has there, that the first openly gay top-level (and still young) footballers should be Russian. And these guys really are top-level, Mamaev is valued at €5 million, Kokorin at €3.8 million (ie in the top few hundred players in Europe). Hope they can handle the hate.

    It might all be a “misunderstanding” though, footballers get nekkid together all the time: http://www.stern.de/fotografie/fotoausstellung-von-volker-hinz-der-kaiser-ohne-kleider-1809791.html (in German)

    1. If you click on the Holiday Pictures, that isn’t just ‘getting nekkid’. They are adorable.

  2. It will certainly give even more gay players! You would only have the courage to come out!

  3. This shows their incredible stupidity of all human nature. I’m willing to bet there are (and have been/will be) gay [or gay-leaning bi] players on that team. They’re just smart enough to not come out or be discovered. If you’re not noticeably ‘effeminate’ in any way, it’s not that difficult to hide. Millions of gay men can and do hide this fact from their own wives for years/decades (just like women can fake orgasms, and who knows? even hide their own lesbianism).

    Peer and societal pressures can make any person do many things, good and bad.

      1. Babelfish translates it as “I wonder who who is scoring goals” which could be double entendre…

        But there is an alternative reading: Kokorin has scored 8 goals in 17 matches. He’s the number 6 goal scorer in the Russian first division. Bloody impressive for a fairy, I’d say! And he is so cute :)

        (Am I getting boring? For those of a like mind, transfermarkt.de is a treasure trove for this sort of crap)

        1. the correct version is= which one of them “scores goals” – implying which one of them top and bottom >^.^<

          1. hmmm, Pavel plays as a midfielder, Aleksandr is what the Germans call a “hanging spike” (boringly translated into English as “secondary striker”). My money would be on Aleksandr the striker being the top, but he is playing bottom in the bath. Guess you’ve got to be versatile at that level ;)

            btw РПЦ, Babelfish translates your name as “The Russian Orthodox Church”. Let us know what the Russian media makes of this. My feeling is that the guys will be well and truly fucked.

            1. I think “hängende Spitze” is mostly called either Attacking Midfielder or Defensive Forward.

  4. Soccer is just a pathetic attempt by lesser cultures to compete with the NFL and MLB and stage a sports spectacle to distract their hysterical masses. Designed from the outset to be a low-budget proposition, needing only a handful of kids and a ball, it is the perfect diversion for undeveloped countries unable to afford real equipment. How it ever became popular among civilized people is a mystery for the folks studying “cultural anthropolgy.”

    Anyway, having once suffered through 5 minutes of a televised soccer game, I can say I hate soccer, and I wouldn’t watch if it was being played in my living room.

    Relax everybody -just trying to compete with the silliness of the St. Petersburg team’s fan club’s ‘manifesto.’ But yeah, I really do hate soccer.

    1. “Anyway, having once suffered through 5 minutes of a televised soccer game, I can say I hate soccer, and I wouldn’t watch if it was being played in my living room.”

      Hmmm, I’d rather see it as: Having once suffered through 5 minutes of a televised U.S. football game, I can say I hate U.S. football, and I wouldn’t watch if it was being played in my living room.

      On the other hand, watching soccer games (their ‘futball’), I can enjoy the athletic abilities of the many soccer players as they “contort” their bodies to not just hit the ball, but to also aim it in directions and with speed to make their goals.

      It’s a damn sight more interesting than watching over-bulked-up (and over-weight) Americans wear their layers of “armor” with their only goal is to shove, hit, and otherwise be violent to the other team and running and sliding on cold, wet ground by rain and snow just so they can be filthy and say they are doing a sport and being “physical.”

      The best part of American football? Watching these so-called “super heterosexuals” slap each other on their asses after some sort of “goal” or running distance.

      1. I forgot one important part of the difference:

        I much prefer watching sports with boys and men with their clothes off (or considerably fewer) than watching them play some sort of “Hurt Locker.”

    2. Horselips, I understand. I was once like you…

      but then I spent a year with a Slovakian who loved to cuddle up on the couch with beer and chips. He patiently explained the rules to me while we watched the Bundesliga on TV. He’s gone (sniff…) but I got hooked on watching athletic men in short pants chasing a ball around a paddock :D

      I suppose though if “soccer” is good for undeveloped societies, it must be really big in Mississippi. And Alabama. And Louisiana. And Tennessee. And…

    3. I’ve never watched 5 minutes of American Football. It’s almost a physical impossibility . 5 minutes of play with timeouts, commercials, huddles and endless ‘High Fives’ requires at least 30 minutes.

      I don’t watch football either except when it’s Scotland / England.
      But still, having experienced both games for decades – American Football is total shite unless you’re playing at school perhaps. College ball and Professional ball is awful.

    4. I love soccer, now American Football is just a pathetic attempt by an over dominating culture to stage a spectacle to distract their hysterical masses. Designed from the outset to be a high budget proposition, needing only a handful of overpaid kids and a ball. Its a perfect diversion for undeveloped egos, unable to play without expensive equipment and contracts.

      Anyways having suffered through years of televised games, I can say I hate American Football but absolutely love soccer.

      Relax everybody – just trying to compete with the silliness of horselips ‘manifesto’, but yeah, I really do hate American Football and very much love soccer.

      1. Well in its heyday, HS football was supposed to teach young boys lessons about school spirit, team playing and sportsmanship. All good virtues that could easily pass into a healthy male’s adult life. But then there were maniacal, ego-manic coaches who only cared in the team’s record, bottom line. Coaches who would push their starred injured to perform, even if it meant permanent, lifelong injuries. And then there were the football players themselves that walked the hallowed halls in school like gods…this was a breeding ground for the ignorant & bullying stereotype still prevalent today. If you excelled in sports, the teachers would pass you through the system…to hell with your education.

        I took advantage of that culture even into college and did things I’m not proud of to this day. On the face of it, it seemed like it was a real character builder, but like with most things, the ability towards corruption to the extreme was always there. And that’s not even touching the issue of being gay and playing football….

        Pro football is the extreme example of the worst of this. The only way for it to become more corrupt and bloodthirsty would be to give them actual weapons….I’ve been waiting for that one.

    5. @horselips. Which countries do you name underdeveloped? Germany and Italy? Hah! Guys who are making the best cars, not the crap made in Detroit ( if not your reichsfuhrer Obama’s “stimuli” the whole American autoindustry would go bankrupt, and rightly so).
      The only North-American sport I respect is ice hockey. But it is more Canadian ( and Swedish, Finnish, Czech, and yes, Russian than American). The s.c. American football is rugby for sissies ( where players are armored like SWAP teams.. American typical cowardice. If you watched real New-Zealand rugby you’d know what a real game for real men is).

      1. I’m glad all the guys I work with love American Football. But I refrain from talking about what I love -Art, Artists and painting because I know they will get that glazed look in their eye just like I do when they talk about > what coach is getting fired or what great feat so n so accomplished. I could care less. The only difference is I know I’ll bore them so I keep quiet. They, on the other hand, can’t comprehend what they’re telling me is meaningless. Now about those cute Russian players.. Their lives just got A LOT more complicated. I wish them the best! They are brave.

        1. Tomatoes down, BananaJoe! I have nothing against American football per se, I respect the players and fans. I just don’t like arrogant “patriots” like Horselips.

  5. “We are not racists, but the absence of black or gay players in the Zenith lineup is an important tradition that underlines the identity of the club, and nothing more.”

    In reviewing the above statement, I’m having difficulty parsing it in any way that does not appear loathsome and racist, even as it declares otherwise. Am I missing something?

    1. No, what you experience is totally normal. As a rule, wheneven somebody says something like “I’m not *some word describing intolerance towards a minority/any other group of people*, but” the opposite of what that person just said aplies to that person.

  6. Much like:
    ” some of my friends are Gay” (Black, Paki, Slant Eyed,etc)

    We could have a glossary of world standard phrases that instantly identify racism and bigotry. It’s interesting that the same language is used worldwide.

  7. Russian GLBT people are under double pressure. First, from the old communist ideology, Stalinist Puritanism that is everything but dead. Quite alive and kicking. Another press is the rising influence of Russian Orthodox Church. It is something like Southern Baptists or Taliban only much more powerful. Its priests and lords always were intellectual lackeys of Tsars, now they are intellectual lackeys of Putin’s police machine. They are not Christians, in no way, just some ultra-nationalist totalitarian sect.
    But Russians will survive, be sure! They have the strongest immune system :)

    1. “Russians will survive…”

      They’re not so sure about that, the Russian population has declined by 5 million since 1991 (from 148 million). And that statistic gives Russia’s homophobes a great patriotic reason to bash (verbally, physically and legally) sexual deviants. If Pavel and Aleksandr are fucking each other they’re not making babies for the motherland. Sodomy = Treason. Treason = Death.

      Russian homophobe troglodytes can appeal both to God and Patriotism in their never-ending fight against same-sex love. They must feel very satisfied each night when they go to sleep.

      Readers might be interested in the St Petersburg LGBT filmfest site http://bok-o-bok.ru/default.asp?lan=1
      The organisers have had a long and difficult fight to get this far: http://sewell.de/41S/banned_in_russia.html

      1. Russians are not unique in this respect. Population of all western countries declines, from Canada to Japan. Including Germany, England, France, Italy. Only immigration keeps up an illusion of stability. The main reason is not homosexuality of course but welfare state.

          1. Due to immigrants and their families ( of 1st generation) who are not “Swedenised” enough, he-he.

            1. Sajhak, you missed the point of my post.

              Russia is unique because political parties, governments and the church (and not just right-wing crackpots) are using population decline as a tool to bash homos. God and Patriotism. As bok-o-bok writes ‘Russian politicians are continuing their onslaught against the LGBT community by expanding the introduction of criminalising legislation around the country that prohibits the promotion of so called “sodomy, lesbianism, bisexualism and transgenderism to minors.”‘

              Do please keep your racist swipes at immigrants to yourself. Judging by your name, your flag and your comments you’re a 1st generation immigrant too, no doubt sucking on the teat of NZ’s welfare state.

            2. Sajhak, you missed the point of my post.

              Russia IS unique because political parties, governments and the official church are using population decline as a tool to bash homosexuals. God and Patriotism. As bok-o-bok writes ‘Russian politicians are continuing their onslaught against the LGBT community by expanding the introduction of criminalising legislation around the country that prohibits the promotion of so called “sodomy, lesbianism, bisexualism and transgenderism to minors.”‘ That has nothing to do with immigration, so do please keep your racist swipes at immigrants to yourself. Judging by your name, your flag and your comments you’re a 1st generation immigrant too, no doubt sucking on the teat of NZ’s welfare state.

  8. To quote a Russian – “We’re a nation of hard-headed and, dare I say, fucking retarded people”.

    In short, like most other things I see on here, it doesn’t work me up into a rage because it’s just par for the damn golf course.

    Also, it’s not often you get good looking Russians!

    1. LOL LOL
      I wanted to say the same thing about ‘where are the good looking Russians’

      For all the porn / soft porn sites full of amazingly good looking Russkies…..
      I work a lot with Russians, Ukranians, Belorussians, Georgians etc etc etc — and I’m always left wondering — “So where are all the hotties?”

      No doubt posing for GTS .. hahahahahaha

    2. There was a really hot russian guy in my class at school, the stuff he came out with was so funny and he was like a fencing champion or something.

      would have loved to poke my sword in him

  9. Anyone who has been to Russia or knows any Russian or Eastern European guys knows that they hug each other, Kiss, and generally play grabass…sitting nude in a sauna or even in the tub together, and they may be so straight it is frightening. They may be getting it on, then again may not be.

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