48 thoughts on “Twin Twinks Learn Gay Slang”

    1. No they don’t. And self-hating gays cause way more problems for the rest of us.

      The stereotypes about types of gay men exist because some guys do tend to polarise to a ‘type’. That doesn’t mean its something they or any of the rest of us need to be ashamed of.

      Given all the politicians and community leaders who have been vocally anti-gay only to eventually get caught out as being deep in the closet are clear enough evidence to me that this causes real harm to the rest of us.

      1. While all that is true….it works against us the other way as well. Gay adults telling me “You’re not gay enough”, because I don’t fit their stereotype notion of what it is to be ‘gay’, is counterproductive to our cause. It’s about diversity after all, not just some young adult stereotype talking about “my people” and the way “we” act. Ashamed of the way he acts, no, but let’s see the whole pie please.

        1. I hate the idea you are being told to act a certain way, and I am totally for the idea of everyone being who they want to be.

          This bit about “seeing the whole pie ” – I’d love to see more of that, but its not up to this kid to wheel in some alternative personality just to tick that box. Sadly you’ll probably just have to wait until more high profile sports types come out and balance perceptions for any real change.

          1. I realize I didn’t explain myself enough. what i meant to say is, that gay guys that act stereotypical just to provoke are out of line, i mean. most of us are just “normal” guys.

            If we act like normal people, maybe we’ll get treated as normal people? (that’s a thought, not an order) my own belief is that you should always be who you are, and I respect that. other people (and or society) might now share the same viewpoint. See the point i’m trying to make?

            1. Totally agree with where you are coming from there. “Fake” people irritate me hugely when they are in your face about it, be it overly ‘fabulous’ or overly macho.

              I would say that ‘normal’ is a very misleading term though. Some guys really are that camp, and some guys are naturally butch – it would be boring if we were all the same. From my own experience I think it is easy to be come overly sensitive to a type out of fear of ‘slipping’ ourselves, and it took me a while to stop trying to ‘conform’ myself.

            2. It’s not actual acceptance if you get only tolerated as long as you act “normal”. Only when drag queens are treated like a white, straight male we have something you could call real acceptance.

            3. I completely agree – acceptance is only going to be genuine when we accept everyone with respect whether they call themselves twinks, bears, drag queens or flaming individualists.

            4. I really don’t understand why ‘Milkboys’ posts a title highlighting ‘gay stereotype’ and then further joins the thread mentioning acceptance.
              If ‘Milkboys’ truly engaged in acceptance ‘Milkboys’ would not have found anything remarkable in the video other than three super cute guys.

              I’ve been quite surprised with all the comments here – I really had to look and look to understand that people were actually commenting on ‘Tyler’ being a bit camp. I hadn’t noticed that at all… LOLzzzz

              I can only say WTF! ‘Tyler’ looks great and I don’t see what problem exists here.

              Meanwhile, I’m not totally accepting. Leather freaky outfits and old fat guys revelling in a puddle of overt sexual display during Gay Pride events are anathema to me. For that reason, I’ll never attend any march or event. I’ll never be associated with freakery displayed for the sake of being cheaply shocking. Being Gay has nothing to do with being overtly sexual. Being Gay is normal. Overt display of base, off the wall sex, is not so normal.


            5. upikinonme:

              I really don’t understand why ‘Milkboys’ posts a title highlighting ‘gay stereotype’ and then further joins the thread mentioning acceptance.

              If Milkboys has successfully stimulated some debate and stirred some sluggish synapses I’d call that worthwhile.

              As for these displays you find offensive, if you wish to live in an Orwellian state, just keep on denouncing difference. If you actually want to fight bigotry then you need to need to teach tolerance, not intolerance.

            6. So there has to be no limit to tolerance?
              Absolutely anything goes?

              A bunch of guys on the back of a truck simulating any kind of sex act you can think of for all to see hardly makes a fun family day out.

            7. There are already laws governing decency and exposure so it seems unlikely you have seen anything far beyond socially acceptable.

              If you wish to influence those limits, there are democratic ways to do so, including informing the police of any lewd acts you see in public. Contributing to generalised hysteria focussed on the gay community (as you are doing here) is only going to result in larger and more negative reactions that hurt the wider community.

          2. I must agree with you. When I ride my bike to Manchester (that is where there’s OUT-IN-THE-OPEN hotties) people tell me I need to relax; or let my hair down; or be gay. I am gay! I can’t get any gayer. I own an apple and drive a Cooper. There’s a huge picture of Freddie Mercury on my wall. But they are talking about flamboyant gay acting queer boys. Call me a hypocrit but they embarrass me. I can be gay without acting like a poster child for LickMyDick.com Can’t i?

            But these guys are just playing a part. Unfortunately they are supporting a few stereotypes. Most people don’t know I am gay unless I tell them. I like it that way. I would rather be judged by my deeds than my sexual self-identity.

            1. Same here, no one really knows I’m gay unless I tell them. I used to want to advertise it, to be more “out there” and not really flamboyant necessarily, but just so I could make people aware. I’m not really sure why. Eventually as I got to know the community and how everyone knows each other/has had sex with each other etc. and it was like playing 6 degrees to Kevin Bacon, I think I just got disgusted with it all.

              The whole club scene isn’t my thing anymore, plus I’m an indie author trying to build something of a career, so I think to really advertise myself now would only isolate myself and do more harm than good.

              Still, it’s funny. My best friend once told me that I’m “the most boring gay ever”, simply because I’m not as flamboyant and excessive in my upkeep/appearances as everyone else’s gay best friend, but frankly, I no longer give a damn =)

              I like learning new languages, watching foreign films, reading the classics and world history and absorbing all sorts of culture and being creative in ways I sure as hell don’t see the rest of the gay community doing where I live. If anyone else around here does, it’s probably the more older seasoned type, and unfortunately I’m 26 and not attracted to older men.

              Everyone else around here? Boring, cliche, Lady Gaga-obsessed, drinking every night, blasting Top 40 songs and indulging in each other’s superficiality, half of them don’t even know gay history or who Harvey Milk was…

              I belong in another country lol.

    2. No, people who tell gays and bis who act “stereotypical” that they make us all look bad are the ones who make us look bad. You can’t demand tolerance for gays and bis and then bully gays and bis who don’t act the way you think they should act to not make you look bad.

    3. Well, somebody said: I would prefer to be hated for what I am than loved for what I am not.

      Would you feel comfortable with such a person?

  1. 6For some reason I’ve always thought Finn was hotter then Jack even though they are identical twins

    1. I agree with you Ryan, I think it may be that Finn has a more relaxed personality, where Jack is a bit more hyper


  2. Qeezer:

    No they don’t. And self-hating gays cause way more problems for the rest of us.

    I seriously don’t see why people who aren’t acting like stereoptypes necessarily would be “self-hating”, so maybe you could explain this to me.
    I’ve seen some stereotypical gays act trully hateful and judgemental towards other gays, so, how does that fit in your view of the question ? To me, stereotypical gays can be as dumb and asshole-like as any other person in the world, and can potentially demonstrate even more self-hate than the average human being.

    1. “I seriously don’t see why people who aren’t acting like [stereotypes] necessarily would be ‘self-hating’, so maybe you could explain this to me.”

      First, you’re only looking at the “surface” of both, stereotypes and self-hating.

      But, look at it more “internal.” While you’re young, you’re surrounded by non-accepting or homophobic people and “their ways and [lack of real] education.” You’ve been constantly told and pointed out “that disgusting behavior and way of talking” by those very same people — whether they be family, school, church or politicians. So, in your natural process of learning “the world around you,” you pick up on “those ways.” So, (assuming you lean towards being gay) you make conscience efforts to not talk and act “like those people.” You’ve essentially taught yourself to “hate” the way gays talk and act, so you now hate that you could do the same thing. You’re always “on guard” to make sure you don’t “accidentally” speak that way or do those gestures. As time grows on, you increase your hate of those attributes, even though some of them may be within you and even sometimes someone has “pointed out” or asked you directly, why you’ve said that word, spoken in that way, or just acted in that way.

      Their ignorant hate has been transferred to you “osmosisly” [my word] throughout your life as the way to think about “homosexual ways.”

      I don’t know if you can fully understand that, I might not have used the best words, sorry.

    2. It is not the non-sterotypes who I implied were self-hating, but those who condemn the stereotypes. My point being that hating traits that are frequently found in the gay community is to turn negativity and censure on our community – of which there is sufficient from the rest of society.

      Now it may be true that some consciously choose to adopt and exaggerate some of these traits, but you get extroverts in all areas of society. The key concept here is tolerance of diversity, not making everyone look, dress and act the same.

      1. It’s really about the ‘culture’ that has grown up around urban gays and the trappings that go with it. They can be extremely intolerant of people who don’t dress like them, camp like them, and own the same sort of material things they like. To tell someone who is gay that; ‘you’re not gay enough’, or ‘we’re going to have to fag you up’, or ‘you wouldn’t know about that because you don’t follow gay stuff’ is ludicrous, alienating and even hurtful.

        The very things that should make us a diverse community are stored away somewhere and replaced by the ‘image’ of what it is to be gay. The idea that if you were to remove homphobia, all gays would eventually drift towards queen and drag queen status is utter bullshit. If you work with enough modern youth, you see boys breaking and questioning all the stereotypes daily.

        The stereotypes, the drag queen shows and the pride parades all had their purpose in bringing us needed public recognition. But now it’s time to emphasize the entire diversity of the gay community, with the notion that you can be anything you want to be.

  3. I hate the so-called “gay culture.” When I first came to the US, I was excited to finally meet people of my own orientation, only to be rejected because I don’t dress right, act right, do the right things, etc. To make matters worse, they’re such a tightly knit community here that they all know me and hate me. On another note, Tyler Oakley’s changed a lot. He has gotten MUCH more flamboyant than when he started doing videos.

    1. You must have gone to San Francisco or NYC. Those urban gay guys are soooo judgemental. Drama upon drama.

  4. How can anyone not like these guys …. so good to see Tyler and the twins being comfortable with each other.

    That is how guys should be, tollerent and having fun – thanks for posting such a great video …. love Tylers ‘opposite’ one too.

  5. I’m flipping my lips with my index finger. I never heard of Grindr, Kiki or Throwing Shade until I saw this video. When you master your gag reflex, is that still called Deep Throating? Can’t wait for Gay Slang II – I wonder what else I don’t know?

    I hate to say it, but as long as we ACT outside the “norm” and SPEAK in proprietary slang, DRESS & ACCESSORIZE with exagerrated flamboyance, we will always BE outside mainstream society. And be treated accordingly. To FIT in, you have to be ALL in.

    But then, we aren’t mainstream, are we? When you’re “odd,” you DO think, act, speak, and dress to the subculture you live in. It’s the same for every ‘minority.’ Ever sit with a group of retired military veterans? They have a distinct ‘way’ about them that lifelong civilians may easilly find unusual. Fortunately for them, they are honored, not avoided.

    The ECCENTRICITIES of minorities challenges, even threatens the serene and comfortable CONFORMITY of the majority. Gay culture is its own worst enemy, but viva la difference!

    BTW, the Twins are too fucking hot for words.

  6. Awsome video and great to see these guys having fun.

    They seem comfortable together and imo that is how it should be … if only.

    Thanks and the ‘opposite’ video is fun too ;-)

  7. Thanks to everyone for your comments as I am learning so much from this discussion. I’m an older, closeted bi who has not been involved in the gay community so I’m trying to figure out where I fit in all of this. I’m still learning terms and phrases that are new to me. Through sheer force of will I lived my adult life as straight and even believed I was winning the battle against my unwanted homosexuality and I took pride in my efforts while dying on the inside.

    1. Bruce, you have to be just about the most enigmatic of all people who leave comments here!

      I read the comments on all of the posts that interest me, and even on some that don’t, and when I do, there you are, without fail! Every post! You agree with everyone more often than not, even when you contradict yourself on the same post, right where everyone can see and read. You often present yourself in a different persona, sometimes in different posts on the same day, as if no one will take notice. You relate experiences of your youth that correspond to the post, even when it adds yet another facet to your past that makes one wonder how it is possible that your life then could have been as you claim. As for the present, well, same story!

      Today you are “… an older, closeted bi who has not been involved in the gay community so I’m trying to figure out where I fit in all of this.” Well, if that is the case, then the multitude of comments that you have left in recent months, those of someone who sounds very knowing and experienced in all things gay, are what? Creations of a fertile mind? Half-truths? Lies?

      On the post “A Boy & his Pony” (Aug 10), you responded to a comment I made by saying “Ah, the many faces, names and flags of the one who trolls here.” The pot calling the kettle black? Since my comments are infrequent, on topic, and not about me, you left me scratching my head on that one!

      I’m sure that I am not the only one who has noticed this about you, I just wonder why no one else has commented as such!

      0432 30.9.12

  8. Never mind all the serious stuff about stereotyping – aren’t the Harries twins just GORGEOUS?! Perfect lips and teeth, fantastic broad smiles and as for those baby-blue eyes…. Jack acted in the short series of kids-playing-adults sketch shows called ‘School of Comedy’ on British TV in ’09 & ’10 and his knock-out looks are even better at age 19 (born March 1993). Google ‘Jack Harries’ for more fabulous pics! I wonder if they’ve gone to the same university?

  9. I think Finn is really the more beautiful twin. By the way, I just read that there is a higher rate of genetic gayness amongst twins than single births.

  10. I thought the twins are just outstanding. Those beautiful blue eyes and those broad loving smiles really send me. As for the Gay community, I have been in this so called community at more then one time. Yes,there are a lot of so called FLAMBOYANT gays prancing around the street,going to clubs, coffee houses,etc. From what I have seen most of it is excessively over dress for the people driving by. There is an over the top act when they get into the club scene. From my years of living in this area, I would say that most carry themselves like anyone else. That lad taching those twins the so called Gay slang, is to me hyper over the top. All three are very nice and Gay or straight,straight or gay, who gives a sh*t.

  11. I’m old enough to remember that “twink” is short for “twinkle-toes” – bet Tyler doesn’t know that!

    1. Hmmm. My understanding was that “Twink” was short for “Twinkie”… Golden on the outside, cream-filled on the inside…

    1. In fact, some intellectuals have argued that heterosexuality was just a cultural construction, you can read for ex: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jonathan_Ned_Katz#The_Invention_of_Heterosexuality

      My problem with gay culture is that people will conclude that if a gay culture exist, then all gay people must have this gay culture. It’s as stupid as to say all black people have African culture, or that I should adopt chivalry codes because my ancestor was a knight, but somehow people love this kind of silliness.

  12. I reckon if your all about a Black, or Spanish, or Asian, culture etc, you can have a Gay culture. I reckon we are all part of some culture one way or the other. Like I said before that in the Gay community there are those you like to be showy, so all those straight people driving by can say, Oh look at those Queers. Most go about their business like any one else. Also when you in the Gay community there is a feeling of more freedom. Like any other culture they feel more inclined to let lose more.

  13. Well, the vid (and the linked other vid) were both very cute. The twins are adorable, and Tyler made me LOL a few times.
    All said, it was worth watching both clips for entertainment value, as well as cuteness value :-)
    Thanks, Josh!

  14. To be honest Tyler is exactly my type of guy. Sure he’s a little bit umm emotive but that’s what endears him to me. Also I love the little nerdish look he has going on.

    Sure the twins are great but they aren’t my type.

    As for stereotypes, they occur in every gender description, from the country music jeans and plaid shirt straight guys to the gay types like Tyler and that’s what makes it all more fun. It would be boring if everyone, breeders and gays, were the same.

  15. I think everyone should be accepting of everyone else as long as those other people aren’t doing anyone any harm. But I think if you say full acceptance is drag queens being treated the same way as white straight guys, then you’ll never get full acceptance (although a drag queen technically could BE a white straight guy). But my point is a drag queen is a drag queen, a straight guy is not a lesbian etc and people will always treat different types of people differently, because they are different. As long as people don’t treat different types of people WORSE than any other sort of person, then I think that’s about the best we’re going to get because of human nature. I’m bi, and not at all flamboyant. Unless I tell people, nobody would guess I’m bi. I play sports, like camping, fishing and a whole lot of other stuff that people consider to be “straight”. That doesn’t make me any less bi than some flamboyant guy who dresses like a girl or something. One type of straight person isn’t better or worse than another type of straight person and the same goes for gay and bi people in my opinion.

  16. There is no particular problem with camp or effeminate gays, just as there is no problem with non-camp ones (except for the fact most heteros think they are as common as unicorns), but I think there is a problem about gays living up to stereotypes, usually to fit in with the group (it seems most gays shun individuality as much as most heteros these days). This is not necessarily being honest or “out and proud”, as much as it is needing to feel like you fit in somewhere and identify with something.

    Gay kid (well, in reality homosexual/bisexual/curious kid, gay is just a slightly nauseating social term for a slightly nauseating social concept) sees gay guy on TV, sees how being “gay” is all flailing arms, fashion, Lady Gruesome (Gaga) and pretending to be ditsy (like a gay equivalent of the dumb blonde stereotype), then consciously or subconsciously takes on these traits, because he’s a “gay”…right?

    Also, often no-one tends to know you’re gay from first impression, so I think many live up to the stereotype, in as much as they don’t want a hetero person to come out with some anti-gay remark. If they put it in their face, that they are blatantly “gay” (through overt mannerisms) then they hope said person would suppress any anti-gay rhetoric they would of shared with a fellow hetero.

    Personally, I think the whole “out and proud” thing is a bit of a sham, why does everyone you meet need to be told “I’m gay”, unless we are looking for some sort of special dispensation (not receiving anti-gay slurs? I’d rather know a persons true feelings, thanks very much). Your sexual orientation has as much to do with who you are as whether you enjoy tennis or not, I can’t imagine going round telling everyone “I’m a tennis player”, as if that was all I was, all I was good for or as if they were particularly interested, no wonder there is this image of gays as sex crazed. Why does this information need to be overtly shared with anyone other than those you have a sexual interest in?

    Hopefully one day the social concepts of straight and gay will wither and die, there will be no distinction between the two, much like there is no real distinction between those that prefer blondes to brunettes. The irony is that as we (homosexuals/bisexuals etc) cling to this notion of “gay” and further it as much as possible as legitimate “lifestyle”, whatever that means, the further away we get from the rest of society (I’d suggest that might not be too bad, but “gays” seem to want to get married and do all sorts of weird hetero things that wouldn’t of dreamed of 40 years ago). We’ll have tolerance of a sort, but there will always be apartheid in the sense that you will define yourself and be defined by being “gay”, much like some define themselves by being “black”, hence “gays” will get ever more similar, just as heteros looking to show they are not gay, but in a “sort of tolerance”, don’t mind if you are, will get ever similar in a different direction.

    It’ll be a return to separate but equal, but in our minds alone.

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