Why is a Kid who’s a first Time nonviolent Offender sent to a Death Row High Security Prison?

Last year, a group of teens in Utah entered a home and held two people at gunpoint with the intent to commit robbery. The youngest of the boys, 16-year-old Cooper Van Huizen, provided his father’s guns to his cohorts but did not use them himself. In the end, the boys left with a cell phone, a bag of marijuana, and $10 cash. The victims were were terrified but physically unharmed.

Under a plea deals, two of the older boys, are serving 210 and 180 days in jail respectively after admitting guilt to second-degree felony counts. The two other teens are awaiting sentencing. In March, after his case was removed from juvenile and sent to adult court, Van Huizen took the same plea deal as the first two teens. The defence attorney told his parents they would petition to reduce the charges to misdemeanours after he completed his probation. They were also told it was very likely he would not have to serve any jail time as he was a first time offender.

On May 7, Van Huizen appeared before the same judge that sentenced his co-defendants. In a move that surprised the defence and prosecution, District Judge Ernie Jones deemed the plea deal illegal and “too soft” for his crimes. He sentenced the first time 16-year-old offender to two 1-15 years to Utah’s maximum security prison.

Unitah 1 is the highest security building in Utah’s state prison system. It houses 93 inmates, including gang members, sex offenders and those serving on death row. Inmates spend 23 hours a day in a solitary cell, with a single window allowing natural light. Reports from prisoners in Unitah 1 have included round the clock victimization, suicide attempts, rotten food and “every kind of psychological, social, and verbal dehumanization known to man.”

The inmates now include first time, nonviolent offender, 16-year-old Cooper Van Huizen.

Cooper’s father has said that this was his son’s first mistake, albeit a big one. Nevertheless, he feels that the sentence is too harsh and unfair. “He’s 16 years old,” said his father, Marc Van Huizen. “Some 16-years-olds are more mature than others, but Cooper is really soft and tender emotionally. He’s just a nice, sweet young boy, always has been. He’s not this rough-and-tough, wannabe street-wise little kid.”

In several decisions, the Supreme Court has maintained two key points regarding youth offenders: 1) teens and children are different than adults and 2) these differences must be considered during sentencing.  In 2010, the court noted that, “As compared to adults, juveniles have a lack of maturity and an underdeveloped sense of responsibility. They are more vulnerable or susceptible to negative influences and outside pressures, including peer pressure and their characters are not as well formed.”

Yet kids as young as 12 are sentenced as adults regularly in the United States. The system is obviously broken when kids are sent to adult prisons, sometimes even without any charge yet the reoffending rate is more than three times as high as in countries like Norway where the legal system values rehabilitation over punishment.

Cooper admitted as much in a declaration to the court. “As I look back on what I did, I recognize that I was reckless in trying to fit in with and please new people I did not really know,” he said.

It is unclear why the judge imposed such a harsh and seemingly random sentence. In a declaration, his former attorney said that he recommended the plea deal believing there would be no prison time, though he realized there was always a chance. He also noted that the other defendants had received lighter sentences. Cooper’s parents have gotten him a new public defender, who has filed motions with the court to allow Cooper to withdraw his guilty plea.

While no one is saying that Cooper shouldn’t be punished for his participation, everyone seems to agree – including the department of Adult Probation and Parole –  that sentencing a 16-year-old with no prior criminal record to spend up to 30 years in prison with sex offenders and murderers is cruel and unusual punishment.

Cooper has now spent more than two weeks in Unitah 1. He showers once a week and has learned to keep his window flap closed so he can’t hear the cries of the mentally ill inmates. He is one of 18 juveniles who have served time there since 2009. He hasn’t seen his parents since being taken to prison. There has been no hearing scheduled yet on his motions to the court.

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213 thoughts on “Why is a Kid who’s a first Time nonviolent Offender sent to a Death Row High Security Prison?”

  1. Either the judge felt he had been too easy on the other defendents, or was somehow swayed prior to sentencing by one or more of the victims. Regardless, it certainly seems like “cruel and unsusal punishment for Connor considering his age! He should be given the same sentence as the other boys, with possible therapy and probation since he did supply the guns.
    That fact maybe the most problamatic for the judge and the reason for the extremely harsh sentence.

    1. If you read the sentence he could be out in as early as two years. That is not cruel or unusual. If someone pulled the trigger he could have easily been on trial for murder. The sentence is not out of line for the seriousness of the crimes committed.

      1. Kevin, you are a vindictive nut case. You can go to hell where you belong.

        1. Roger = troll. If you want in on the conversation, have an intelligible argument like everyone else here. No room in the convo for thoughtless trolls.

          1. Then I guess I must also be a troll. I fully agree with Kevin. Did that kid do something stupid? Yes. Should he be in that kind of hell hole now? No. There is this strange culture of prison makes perfect when it is proven beyond doubt that it doesn’t. Is that kid a hardened criminal? Is he a first time offender? Yes.

            Prison is now big business. It isn’t about justice and to be blunt never was. Come on, keep putting kids in prison and even better sell kids to prison, just like judges that are now in prison themselves did for money.

            1. @ Old Dan
              “The prison system is a business”
              ψ And run amuck no different than any other big business be it: insurance companies, Google, or even Walmart…business be business and the name of the game be money!
              ❦You Sir may be late to the game but you hit the nail on the head. The whole concept of Supermax Prisons is a idea that was doomed to fail from the start and yet billions have been wasted on their creation all under the public’s mistaken belief that they would be safer. Man no matter how sorted or violent needs to have contact with his fellow man; to deny this is to deny humanity in itself.
              The monsters that people speak of and even see in their nightmares are created in places such as this. They truly are a hell on earth…

            2. I think kar meant Roger just resorted to name calling. You on the other hand put forward an opinion on the subject (not that I agree with it) and that is the difference.

            3. Kar appears to be responding to roger’s pointless insults, not to anyone stating an opinion on the subject du joir.

            4. I don’t waste my time with people who think we should imprison people. My insults are to the point. Prison lovers can drop dead.

            5. It seems I made a serious mistake in my post. It should have read as follows.

              “”Then I guess I must also be a troll. I fully agree with ROGERKevin. Did that kid do something stupid? Yes. Should he be in that kind of hell hole now? No. There is this strange culture of prison makes perfect when it is proven beyond doubt that it doesn’t. Is that kid a hardened criminal? Is he a first time offender? Yes.

              Prison is now big business. It isn’t about justice and to be blunt never was. Come on, keep putting kids in prison and even better sell kids to prison, just like judges that are now in prison themselves did for money.””

              That’s what happens when I’m coming back from a bad migraine. Sincere apologies.

        2. @roger – do you always whimper? Or do you ever make a valid point? If all you can do is troll perhaps we can find you a good bridge to sit under.

      2. The US “justice” system is set up to create criminals who re-commit crimes, not rehabilitate them.

        This is exactly what’s going to happen.

        Another opportunity — and life — lost to make money for the prison system.

        1. …what? You think state prisons profit from holding inmates? Are you actually being serious?

      3. 2 years would still be harsh, though technically not cruel. 2 years in solitary on the other hand, is cruel and completely out of line.
        And the possibility of up to 30 years is absurd at best!
        There’s no justice in this.

    2. Serving the 2 year minimum of his sentence is hardly cruel compared to what he put his victims thtough and the recklessness of providing the weapons. Huray for the judge getting it right.

      1. The sentence seems harsh when it is compared to the sentence given to 2 of the other 4 boys involved. Yes Cooper supplied the guns, and should be given a longer “probation/community service/monitoring” sentence to make sure this is his 1 and only crime! But as has been shown many times, putting a young, immpressionable boy into a prison system usually ends up with a career criminal. There are better ways to deal with a 1st time, youthful offender. That’s my point. And “yes” I messed up his name in my first post, sorry.

  2. Just seems absolutely typical of the American legal/ justice system.
    Although what Connor did was wrong, and he deserves to be punished, the judge seems to have lost the plot with his sentence, particularly compared with the others who were involved

    1. His name is Cooper, not Connor. The person writing the above article messed up and changed names halfway through.

      1. It’s different because in the first story, Jordan Williams got 18 years minimum for cold blooded murder – not 30 years for just supplying guns, and in the second story the sentences were also way less for an actual murder … Connor Doran got 12 years, Evans got 8 years and Brandon Doran got 6 years – and it doesn’t say they had to go to an adult maxi prison.

        1. Nobody reads – he got a two year minimum and no one said anything about solitary, just that he has his own cell and his interactions with others are closely monitored. With parole and good behavior he could be out in a year.

          1. @ Jim
            “Unitah 1 is the highest security building in Utah’s state prison system. It houses 93 inmates, including gang members, sex offenders and those serving on death row. ☞Inmates spend 23 hours a day in a solitary cell, with a single window allowing natural light.”

            ψ Sounds pretty solitary to me…
            Ok, so it’s not a festering black bottomless pit in the bottom of Alcatraz, Sing Sing, or even Leavenworth like you may’ve seen from a movie but it’s still not proper housing for a 16 year old especially on a 2 year stint!

  3. fucked up country. that´s all i can say. i know it is now very constructive but that is really all i can say.

  4. Yeah he is young and cute and all that stuff… Let’s disregard the staged photo with the dog for a second and be objective. He supplied lethal weapons to a bunch of unstable teenagers and threatened the lives of innocents over some pocket money. The sentence is harsh but so is the crime. The repercussions of something like this could have easily been devastating. Obviously he instigated the whole thing, one doesn’t just get “coerced” into doing something like this. Furthermore i am surprised the father of said boy doesn’t also face charges for reckless endangerment. The kid should not have been able to get a hold of one gun (let alone a bunch of them) in the first place. If America is to blame for something, it is for their gun control laws and lack of proper prison management, but not it’s legal system. This is coming from a guy who lives in Europe and has been robbed several times by teenagers…

  5. While the system may lack common sense or equality, in this particular case I have no sympathy for any of them, nor this boy. Supplying guns to friends knowing what they were for is a sign on something wrong in his head. He deserves anything he got. Might get some reflection time while inside.

    1. It does not need sympathy to see that something is wrong about that. I am all for punishment which clearly indicates that someone has done something wrong and for such a crime a slap on the wrist just isn’t enough. Nonetheless there are a few more options between a slap on the wrist and this sentence.

      Also I am worried when a country does not get the difference between a teenager and a grown-up. There is a good reason why he is not allowed to buy alcohol or vote at that age. I wonder whether that does not seem to count at all.

      But in case the judge left a loophole at some point so this crap will be over after a few weeks, the result might be positive in the end.

  6. American ‘justice’ is ludicrous anyway but in this case prison is prison and the little shit supplied guns. If anything had gone wrong the innocent people whose house was broken into could have been killed by those guns. Stop feeling sorry for so called ‘sweet’ kids and get paranoid Americans some therapy so they don’t feel the need to keep guns at home – kids will inevitably get hold of them.

  7. If ‘Connor’ was black, this would not be news…it would be a normal occurrence. I dare say even ‘milkboys’ wouldn’t care.

    1. Unless you have statistics to back it up I feel it is inappropriate for you to imply that sentencing of black teens for armed home invasions is commonplace, Even if such occurrences were normal I don’t think milkboys would disregard any individual’s case based on skin color.

    2. What makes you think that armed home invasions by black teens is a normal everyday occurrence?

      1. He was sentenced to two 1-15 year terms. Assuming they are consecutive and not concurrent, he could be out in as little as 2 years (or 13 months with parole). Not bad on his end for such a violent ‘non violent’ crime. Being in a high security prison actually ‘protects’ him from other inmates, as absurd as that sounds.

        I agree with the judge throwing out the plea bargain, but do feel that the defendant should be allowed to withdraw his guilty plea in such cases. Bad lawyering on both sides when this happens.

        1. That’s just it though, in the US we at least “guarantee” the right to competent legal representation.
          You say “bad lawyering,” that’s grounds for appeal.

          1. By ‘bad lawyering’ he meant the deal was bad for the people, not bad for the kid. I do agree with others that if a deal is thrown out then the defendant should be allowed to withdraw his guilty plea.

  8. In the UK we have something called sentencing guidelines judges have to follow, and if they are not followed its grounds to appeal the sentence. Plus they nearly always choose to justify the sentences they order to avoid appeals. In the USA do the judges just make it all up? I am starting to feel that Judge Judy is not an accurate representation of the USA judiciary.

    1. There are sentencing guidelines for various crimes. Sometimes offenders get a tough sentence for a ‘minor’ crime because of such guidelines and ‘minimums’ for repeat offenders.

      The other part of the equation is the plea-bargain. The judge can throw out a plea bargain if they deem it inappropriate. My opinion is in such cases the defendant should be allowed to retract their guilty plea – a broken deal is a broken deal. Negotiate a new deal or stand trial.

  9. In New Zealand what this guy did is called aggravated robbery (whether the guns are real or fake) and you could get up to 14 years jail.

    So his father says: “He’s 16 years old,” said his father, Marc Van Huizen. “Some 16-years-olds are more mature than others, but Cooper is really soft and tender emotionally. He’s just a nice, sweet young boy, always has been. He’s not this rough-and-tough, wannabe street-wise little kid.” Yet he leaves unsecured guns for his kid to supply to his loser mates for an armed robbery? Whateva. The old man is sadly dissillusioned about his “wannabe gangsta” son, and should also be in jail too for careless use of a firearm (among other things).

  10. ψ I believe the usage of the “tried as an adult” transfer of trial prosecution method in many countries has become overused to the point of madness and is just an easy way for prosecutors and judges to allay the public’s fear and lust for firm resolution of ‘violent’ crimes. Yet its use must not only include protocols to protect said public but perpetrator also; especially when one has yet to reach the age of reason,(debatable) such as in this case. Earlier in its inception before its over use now there were certain steps taken regarding juveniles convicted under such laws. After conviction said youth could gradually be brought up through the ranks of the penal system with juvenile incarceration first from say 14-18 then sometimes another institution from 18-21 and finally depending on the severity of his crime, transfer to a full bore adult prison for the balance of his sentence with supposed rehabilitation,(?) along the way.

    Barring that, here in the U.S. there’s a phrase used, ‘woulda, coulda, shoulda’. Admittedly it may sound like just another silly sounding colloquialism but it has its merits especially in a case such as this.
    There’s no question this boy committed an adult crime in the supplying of guns to and being on scene with others in what could have been a much worse scenario.
    How many times have such home invasions gone horribly wrong with not only the emotional, physical, and financial devastation placed on the victims but sometimes even the death of one or all members of the family under siege.
    Teens currently are some of the most violent perpetrators of such crimes not only for its smash and grab viability,(in their view) but for the thrill and apparent sense of power it may afford them whilst the victims on the other hand can be scarred for life.

    Many teens while standing alone can generally be good individuals,(as the father here describes his son) yet place them with others and good reason goes out the window, especially with boys. So eager to please their peers and gain acceptance they’ll do most anything with no thought of consequences.

    This boy committed a crime and thus should be charged and penalized for it,(within reason), yet not as an inmate in some overhyped cost ineffective super-max that even the most ‘inhuman’ of us, (it’s thought) should even be placed in.

    1. “Yet its use must not only include protocols to protect said public but perpetrator also; especially when one has yet to reach the age of reason,(debatable) such as in this case.”

      What makes you think this 16-year-old hasn’t reached the “age of reason”? I’m curious as to why you think this teenager needs to be so “protected” when he obviously had a frame of mind to get his father’s [loaded] guns and supply them to his “friends” and then go on a crime “spree” which he was fully aware of? (And I’m not suggesting he should get any “death penalty” for this).

      1. “What makes you think this 16-year-old hasn’t reached the “age of reason”? I’m curious as to why you think this teenager needs to be so “protected” when he obviously had a frame of mind to get his father’s [loaded] guns and supply them to his “friends”

        ψThere’s empirical evidence that teen’s minds of that age are not fully matured nor do they process thoughts in the same way adults do.
        http://www.mentalfloss.com/article/29895/5-reasons-teenagers-act-way-they-do

        1. It is true teenage brains have underdeveloped powers of reason – I have posted about it myself – but that doesn’t make supplying guns for an armed robbery normal (or even common) teenage behaviour.

          1. So it is just teenage behavior as long as it isn’t a crime? Great, then there is no need for special laws for young offenders then… makes things a lot easier and we need less paper.

          2. @ Indra
            “-normal (or even common) teenage behaviour.”
            ψ Didn’t say it was normal behavior, I merely offered some possible reasons why they shouldn’t always be viewed as full grown adults when being prosecuted for a crime.
            ❦Do check out my link below;(ψ Here’s another great American gun story)… definitely think that 6 year old should be charged as an adult for whipping out that AK47 at the family BBQ and toasting Grandpa!

        2. So you are trying to argue that a 16yo shouldnt be expected to realize that an armed home invasion is a bad idea?

          1. Not me Jim, I knew at an early age right from wrong and the consequences, it is the bleeding hearts who are trying to excuse this little shit’s behaviour. It would be like saying women can be excused all crime on rag-week.

          2. @ Jim
            ψ Nope, never said that.
            The kid fully admits it was not a smart move and I agree. My premise was that teens are wired differently than adults. Between peer pressure and a strong desire to belong decisions can be made in haste that aren’t well thought out. Basically the moral, emotional, and even reactive barriers or stop gaps that are already hard wired in place in most adults have yet to complete their growth in a teen’s brain.
            ❦I take it you never did anything less than intelligent in your youth? Admittedly his mistake was much more costly and harmfull to others and himself but some teen mistakes, specially those made on dares by peers have resulted in accidents, arrest, and sometimes even death; by stupidity some would say…

  11. that headline is misleading.
    non-violent crime? rubbish.
    regardless of the fact he may have been a silly impressionable teen (tho most MB members would get very annoyed if you said 16 is too young to be a sensible responsible person) he was part of a group that was armed and therefore extremely threatening. Waving guns around? He is damn lucky no-one was “accidentally” killed.
    That said, the disparity in the sentencing is appalling.
    The prison choice, however, may be considered to offer him greater protection from older, predatory inmates. I HOPE that is the case.

  12. Armed robbery is NOT non-violent, the fact you didn’t hold a gun yourself quite rightly makes no difference.

    The venue for his sentence is too harsh though.

    1. Agree about the ‘non-violent’ part due to the traumatic affect on victims whenever a weapon is produced. The teens are from Utah and the prison is in Utah, shipping him out of state would restrict visitations (although he hasn’t had any – more good parenting). It’s a bit like drug smugglers bleating how harsh the prisons are compared to another country. They did the crime there, do the time there.

      1. His parents are allowed only one visit per month if the rules are the same as in most US prisons. And with no physical contact. He’s still a child, albeit one who needs strong correction. Just not adult sentences in an adult prison. That’s cruel and unusual punishment.

        1. Harsh maybe, but not cruel or unusual. Perhaps this is a lesson for connor that providing weapons for and perpetrating an armed home invasion might be punishable.

  13. It could have been worse. He could have been killed when he was committing the crime. Remember Martin who shot a 16 year old burglar in the UK. Lots of public sympathy and very little for the little thug.

  14. Everybody appears to be appalled at the sentence and misguided by the picture, yet I wonder how they would feel if they were sat at home and a bunch of gun-wielding youths broke in to their house. If they broke into my house and threatened my family I would petition for him to shower every day WITH the murderers and rapists, see how ‘cute’ the little bastard is then. I agree with Rokker though and think his father should locked up (child neglect and gross stupidity?). I mean who in their right mind keeps guns at home, next thing you know there will be angst-ridden teens shooting up schools and stuff. Nah, surely not.

    1. Why not on the chair with him. Fry his brain. Or let’s rewind a few centuries and stone him to death!

      There is a reason why the judge is not the person who was the victim. There is a reason punishment is different for teenagers and children. The article clearly states that there has to be some kind of punishment.

      The world won’t be a better place when he gets out. Your strategy obviously does not work.

      1. Not ‘my’ strategy at all, nor do I agree with the ludicrous length of the sentence or how the crazy American judge perceive his part in it. The sentence is 1-15 years for each charge and with how I imagine it probably went down and his direct culpability a year is long enough. The harshness of the regime is a wake up call and he deserves it, at sixteen many ‘children’ have more maturity than a thirty year old.

    2. That’s the reason why we have something called “law”. Of course the victim of any crime is calling for a harsh punishment but the point of punishing criminals is not to serve the victime urge for revenge but rather to protect society. That could of course mean sending every criminal, however small his crime to jail for lifetime but I don’t think you’d want to pay for that and it would also mean unfair treatment to those who were not as lucky in live as others and therefor much more likely to commit a crime at one point during their life. So we’re back to having a laws that call upton equal treatment for everybody how’s mature and mentally fit to be held responsible for his crimes. I’m in my early twentier now and when I look back I have to admit that I wasn’t very mature at the age of 16. I wouldn’t like to be judgeg upon what I was like back then. I changed so much and the people I know changed so much in those last few years and this boy here would also be able to change but no in prison.

    3. ” I mean who in their right mind keeps guns at home, next thing you know there will be angst-ridden teens shooting up schools and stuff. Nah, surely not.”

      I did, as my father and my grand-father have done. My cousins and nephews have all grown in homes with guns around and nobody has gone shooting others.
      How do you know the father was negligent on keeping his guns reasonably safe? Given enough time most safes may be tampered.

      Most people, I guess, is not complaining based on the cuteness of the guy but on the lack of consistency with other sentences in the same crime. In the US system prosecution is accusatory rather than inquisitive. Having a plea meant that the prosecution considered the plea to be in proportion with the level of responsibility of the accused. The judge decided that this guy deserved a harsher punishment than his accomplices that were older and who actually wielded the weapons. That is unusual. Instead to be sent to a youth detention center he was sent to a max security facility with no access to rehabilitation whatsoever. That is cruel.

        1. Sure tragedies occur as they happen with cars, boats, bikes, horses, planes, etc. But just because you have guns and your kids grow around them does not mean that you will become a killer in the same way growing with “boy” toys does not mean you will be heterosexual or playing with barbies does not make you gay.

  15. “Do the crime, do the time”.

    I hope the prison staff provides this young miscreant with plenty of Vaseline.

    I have a feeling he will soon be in touch with the soft, nurturing side of his personality.

    1. Clearly, you don’t recall how adolescents think. Kids that age (and up into their early twenties) may know right from wrong, but study after study has proven that they live in the moment and have a tough time understanding the consequences of their behavior. Yes, he needs some corrective guidance, perhaps strong correction, but not 1-15 years in adult prison. That’s cruel and unusual punishment, prohibited by the US Constitution, and it won’t result in a better and more productive citizen.

      1. We are not talking about staying out late on a school night. He participated in the planning of a home invasion, volunteered to provide guns, retrieved the guns with full knowledge of what they would be used for, provided the guns to the other assailants, accompanied them to the house, and actively participated in the violent assault on thevictims. Yet you argue he shouldnt be expected to realize at any point in this process that what he was doing ‘might’ be inappropriate behavior?

  16. The U.S. is a very sick place. I fear the asshole on my street with all the NRA bumper stickers on his pickup truck more than I do the kids next door who like to dress in a thugish fashion. The person who should go to prison is the father who did not secure his guns properly.

    1. So what you are saying is, it’s not the kid’s fault, it’s the father’s. Typical. Why does it seem like we as a society treat kids as “precious gems” that can never do anything wrong? We all want the guy who shot up the theater in Colorado last year to “burn in hell”, but if he (or anyone else) who commited that massacre were 16 or younger, we start thinking “oh the poor misguided child” and blame the parents (or school officials, adult relatives, society, etc. i.e. anyone but the underage suspect) because we just don’t want to accept that some kids (kids are human beings too), like some adults, are just so selfish and inconsiderate of others that they’ll go steal, kill, etc. for their own selfish desires, regardless of others. Or, like in this particular case, he did it to be “cool” with his new so-called “friends”. What if they were never caught? Do you really believe he would’ve stopped his pitiful behavior on his own? Is he really remorseful about terrorizing innocent people in their own home (who will probably need phycological therapy for months or years to come over this)? Or is he just sorry he got caught and now wants to put on the “poor me” attitude about his being in jail? It’s just all too easy to blame the parents somehow, as if we all know this kid’s home life and convinced his father’s a prick who “drove him to it” somehow. I honestly think it’s much more likely some feel sorry for this kid and deem his punishment “too harsh” because people on here think “oh but he’s so cute!!”; if he were unattractive no one would give a rat’s ass about this kid at all, and most would say “do the crime, do the time”.

  17. I mean, he did participate in armed robbery. I don’t think 1-5 years in prison is too bad for that.

  18. Delinquent boys can be deceptively cute and charming. There could be an interesting back story to this kids life giving what we read about the father.

  19. Even though I feel somewhat bad for this young man, and I believe that the sentence may be to harsh, I also believe in the simple saying….. “Don’t do the crime, if you don’t want to do the time”. If one follows the general laws that we have here in our society, than one does not have to be worried about being incarcerated. I do hope that they keep this ‘kid’ out of general prison population because if they don’t, he will most likely be terribly sexually abused.

  20. The US is a very sick place, in a very sick world, and emblematic that there is no hope for the human species which is really quite insane and an evolutionary dead end. From the crime the punkass loser kids committed, the irresponsible father, to the farce of a legal system and prison industrial system and on and on. We are living in a George Orwell/Monty Python novel. The best thing that can happen is to shoot off all of the nukes to create a nuclear winter in order to roll back anthropogenic climate change for a few years before the runaway greenhouse gas climate sets in. That I am a wonderful person does not justify all the jerks on this planet. Dr. Peters had a good solution in the movie Twelve Monkeys.
    I’m having a good day thank you and thought my comment is appropriate.

    1. Personally I’ve been hoping a solar flare with wipe out satellites and fry computer systems on a global basis. Be interesting to see how people cope without even the simplest technology.

      1. Good point. Yes, very appropriate considering how the haves have created the modern issues and would stand to lose the most! Would even out the advantages the haves have over the have nots. Perhaps cooperative societies would persevere over competitive ones (one can always dream).
        All of the distributed electrical systems would have their transformers fried. It will take years to get the power grids back up. No satellites, No NSA, No Milkboys (oh well have to go back to the real thing:) People would have to communicate and cooperate with each other locally.

    2. @ sidog

      I gotta better idea.

      Why don’t we all just pray for a huge meteor, say the size of Mt. Everest, strikes the middle of the Gulf of Mexico, near the Yucatan Peninsula, near the same location that caused the extinction of the dinosaurs 350 million years ago, that would create within a few weeks the extinction of all mammals on planet earth, and then we could just let God start all over again.

      This way you wouldn’t have to worry and fret about the non-existent threat of global warming and would be put out of your misery.

      It’s just a suggestion.

      1. “… and then we could just let “god” start all over again.”

        Good luck, since there is no “god.”

        And, btw, with this statement, “… near the same location that caused the extinction of the dinosaurs 350 million years ago, …”

        How is it and why do you even believe in any “god” if you accept that much science (and presumably, evolution as well)? Wow, talk about a contradiction of ignorance!

        1. Jaysus, Pen… Can you not even recognise humorous sarcasm when it kicks you in the face?
          Jeffy is taking the piss! Lighten up, bro! :)

          If you want to criticise, point out that the Yucutan asteroid strike // Cretaceous–Paleogene extinction was actually about 70 million years ago. There is little clarity/agreement on what caused the late Devonian extinction (about 350m years ago) when there were NO dinosaurs.

          1. While obtaining by Bachelors Degree in Accounting, I was required to take 6 semester hours of a ‘science’ and chose geology, but, alas that was almost 40 years ago, so I am sorry if I confused the Cretaceous epoch with the Devonian period.

            Thank you, however, for pointing out Pen’s near hysterical reaction to anything remotely touching on religious faith. He is such a wack-job.

            1. Actually it’s both of you who are more whackjobs than I am (hint: who has to apologize more often lately because of your insanely ignorant posts?).

              Also, I long ago learn to recognize the whackjob religious’ double-speak and that’s exactly what you did up there. And then, of course, you religious idiots always turn the blame around because of your stupidity of religion.

            2. Jeez you’re easy Penboy. Everybody can see by now how disturbingly obsessive you are. Jeeves even warned you yet as soon as jeffylube dangles a worm you take the bait. Can’t you afford therapy or something?

            3. And we’re done here. If you guys can’t hold your feet still and discuss without personal insults we’ll close the comments as announced a couple of times now.

    3. Oh come off it. Have you forgotten that some countries execute women for getting raped, or men for being gay? This kid and his buds violently threatened the lives of innocent and unsuspecting victims, and he’s serving MAYBE two years. Just because it makes you feel better to criticize the U.S. doesn’t mean you get to claim that we are the scum of the Earth. I highly doubt every young offender who commits armed robbery in Europe can rest easy knowing they’ll be spared jail time; and if I’m wrong, then that would explain the absolutely degenerate and thuggish youth which currently populate the UK.

    1. It is hard for anyone to weigh in on this without reading the court transcripts. The judge has the right to reject a plea bargain, the offender did provide the weapons and instigated the incident, the choice of a high security prison gives the offender his own cell and better supervision/protection (for lack of a better word) when interacting with other inmates.

      However, I do believe that when a plea-bargain is rejected by a judge the defendant should be permitted to withdraw his guilty plea.

    2. Agreed, and I’m an American. Children are NEVER adults. This nonsense has been going on for twenty years, and opinion has only recently (and slowly) begun to shift.

    3. how is this any different from the british treatment of violent teen offenders? There is many a teen offender in the british prison system.

    4. So no teen has ever been put in prison for a violent offense in the Uk…ever? How about everyone just worries about their own country.

      1. @ Cory
        ❦Many speak only of that which they know.
        Long as we don’t resort to out and out country bashing,{or people ☹ bashing!} then all should be well…
        ☞Though sometimes tempers rise and we succumb, myself included…ƌℯѵιʟ♨

  21. Cutie was hanging out with the wrong bunch!! If he’d picked any one of us on this board to try to impress, he wouldn’t be in such a position today.

    1. Yes, but since the age of consent for males in Utah is 18, the same people who say he’s an adult in this case would be saying he is a babe-in-arms if he had consensual sex with you, so you’d be the one going the 30 years hard time. Go figure.

      1. Exactly. Our own predicament, which is beyond our control, is a reason why young males like him fall into the bad influence of their peers… Think of all the good men out there who are forced to site on the sidelines waiting for this feminist s**tstorm to pass sometime this century, who could be helping to be a good influence on the young males out there… (Especially this “soft, tender” boy, in his father’s words.)

  22. After reading all the comments, I’m in agreement with many of you — the sentence was too harsh, but he definitely deserves similar punishment (but not necessarily in a max. security prison for the likes of what was described).

    Also, I agree that the father should have been charged (at the least) with neglect and endangerment (for starters) and of course allowing his guns (presumably already loaded) to be in proximity of his offspring before they are full adults.

    And, I’m also thinking of the family who was invaded and robbed at gunpoint because of this teen’s “desire to fit in with his ‘contemporaries'” (regardless of the amount taken).

    1. Sweet Mary, Mother of God.

      All this child needs is to accept Christ as his personal Savior.

      Pray that he be washed in the blood of the lamb.

      Praise Jesus!!

      1. No one taught you how to reply to comments properly?

        If ALL of that crap above is what you truly believe, then you can only be considered mentally ill.

    2. Also, all of you should take notice that this particular judge is from Utah and it would not be unreasonable to assume he is very religious and most probably a mormon. And that has a huge bearing on why he gave this teen such a harsh sentence.

      If mormons are so against even social drinking and they still have medieval ideas of sex, then it would stand to reason that he would issue this harsh of a sentence to a 16-year old — after all (if he is mormon), they would kick their own son or daughter out of their house and family if they found out they were having any sort of homosexual affair(s) or even declaring themselves homosexual — and that’s not even close to what this teen did.

      1. >>Also, all of you should take notice that this particular judge is from Utah and it would not be unreasonable to assume he is very religious and most probably a mormon. And that has a huge bearing on why he gave this teen such a harsh sentence.<<

        That's a good point. Christian values are all about punishment and reward.

        1. @sprocks

          “Christian values are all about punishment and reward.”

          I would agree about punishment but I can’t think of any tangible rewards.

          1. @ bruce

            The way I understand it, Christian values teach that the tangible rewards and punishment are to do with quality and meaning of life on earth, and the intangible rewards and punishments are to do with the afterlife. “Today I invoke heaven and earth as a witness against you that I have set life and death, blessing and curse, before you. Therefore choose life so that you and your descendants may live!” Deuteronomy 30:19

            But then what is meant by quality of life?

            1. @rokker

              “But then what is meant by quality of life?”

              That’s easy. To be heterosexual and experience only one sexual partner for your whole entire life.

            2. @ Bruce
              “To be heterosexual and experience only one sexual partner for your whole entire life.”

              ╚♥╝Well, I hope they’re happ, happ, happy!

    3. According to press reports, the guns were not only unloaded, but non-functioning as well. Broken guns, and Cooper knew it.

      1. @ Dave
        “According to press reports, the guns were not only unloaded, but non-functioning as well. Broken guns, and Cooper knew it.”
        ❦Respected all your comments and found merit in each save for this here but even this one is most relevant while also bearing an important fact that I think was unknown to most here. If as you report,(I personally haven’t verified it but most probably you have!) the guns were in the condition you say that’s good in a way. But still in the eyes of the victims they were under threat of being shot at any time as I’m sure the boys didn’t say,”don’t worry they’re not even loaded!”.
        Not making light in any way but leastwise this boy even while being totally in the wrong, didn’t enter that residence with a clear intent to harm or kill.
        Yet, another scenario; if the homeowner had been armed,(as can be in Utah) had felt under severe threat while defending his homestead had in turn shot and killed 1 or all of the boys who technically were unarmed at the time…the tragedy could have been much worse.
        It’s happened before. When weapons are drawn shooting most often occurs, especially when people are scared and in fear for their life and those of their loved ones.
        Cooper did wrong, he knows it, his parents know it, and most certainly the law knows it. But he doesn’t deserve to be in a Supermax, even if only for a year or two like some have mentioned. They’re are secure juvenile facilities with single cells and isolation if the court or DOC deems it but enough of this going straight to adult jails. Go up the tiers as it was originally designed before the laws went crazy. You can still have long sentences but start them in juvenile facilities, then youth or young adult institutions, and finally if sentence length dictates, full adult incarceration in a proper facility…but still not a SUPERMAX!!

  23. All of these rotten kids are getting off far too easily. Breaking into a home when the owners are there is not just TRESPASSING, and it’s not just BURGLARY, it’s called HOME INVASION. Holding the residents at gunpoint is called KIDNAPPING. Possession of a firearm by a minor is also a FELONY. This kid is also a DRUGGIE.

    Sorry, but 16 is not a kid anymore. Pre-teens might have some maturity issues, and yes, teenagers still have a lot of growing up to do, but by 16 you know right from wrong, you know what’s yours and what belongs to others, and you have a pretty good grasp of the law. For chrissakes, we let 16 year olds work, drive and fuck, it’s not too much to ask that they don’t commit major felonies.

    Let’s not forget that the victims of this crime will never forget it – they are scarred for life. I know. I’ve had one car broken into and another stolen. (I always drive really cool cars.) I will never forget these outrages, and there is no punishment on earth the criminals can suffer that will ever assuage my anger. Every kid involved in this caper should be tried as an adult and if convicted, punished accordingly.

    These rotten brats should consider themselves lucky no matter how much time they serve. If they had broken into my home while I was present, there would have been a gun battle for sure, and either me or them would have been taken out in body bags. Most likely, them.

    Spare the rod, even just a little, and even only now and then, and spoil the child. Lock & Load mofos.

    1. ^ ^ above:

      I know you might not believe this, horselips, but I agree with everything you said. (Hard to believe, huh?) :-)

      Especially this:
      “Let’s not forget that the victims of this crime will never forget it – they are scarred for life. I know. I’ve had one car broken into and another stolen. (I always drive really cool cars.**) I will never forget these outrages, and there is no punishment on earth the criminals can suffer that will ever assuage my anger.”

      The same has been done to me — more than once. And if I told you what I really felt, and who they were that did these things, all of you would consider me a racist, even though it’s true.

      ** I’ve driven some really cool [classic] cars as well [and were stolen and wrecked] — and I wanted to say, “pics or you didn’t really!” :-) [Just because I'm curious of what you drove and what they looked like!]

      1. @penboy

        Having a realistic issue with a certain demographic does not require you to be a “racist” although you are certain to be perceived as such.

  24. what’s wrong with all the americans in here? all you have in mind is revenge and punishment but you’re too blind to see that you’re a part of the problem. with your stupid blood lust for putting children into adult prisons you make sure they will become criminals as your ridiculously high re-offending rates show (70%!). what else could you become when you spend your teenage years surrounded by murderers and gang members in a fucking death row prison??? good job, well done, so smart!

    is it too hard for you to understand that kids (especially black ones) are locked up all over america just so you can feed your fucked up private prison system?

    if even the brits are disgusted at you with their questionable history on human right you gotta start thinking…

    but god forbid you try what the evil commies in europe do and rehabilitate people (re-offending rate in norway? 30%!) instead of nursing your savage lust for revenge and money.

    1. @ Ender
      ψ Excellent, yet funny and sad while being true too…

    2. ‘if even the brits are disgusted at you with their questionable history on human rights’
      Hmm, yes, perhaps we should take a leaf out of the German history book on human rights

      1. i’m not german, i live close to the border so that’s probably why i got the flag. but sure, go ahead and derail the discussion by turning it into a pissing context because your fucking national pride got hurt, that’s obviously the more important subject…

        1. I fully support you ender. You are one of the few breaths of fresh air here.

        2. Lol ‘national pride’ I’m a Brit we don’t have national pride. You needlessly brought up ‘British human rights’ whereas compared to a lot of countries (as pointed out) I think we are quite good. One typically British trait is a sense of fair play, perhaps you should exercise it before dragging a nation through the mud when the post is about a different nation.

          1. The Brits are good compared to many other countries? I don’t know, man. You might want to look into all the slave trade, torture and murder going on in British colonies before you make a statement like that. Historically England has just as much blood on its hands as America.

            1. Slavery has been going on since before America was America and before Britain was Britain. We were involved but we certainly didn’t start it though we were instrumental in ending it. But what has slavery got to do with criminal rights. Look at foreign prisons compared to English ones, we treat prisoners better than most countries (except of course the Scandinavian and Dutch holiday camps),

            2. History? How far do want to go back – to when your ancestors where coming over the North Sea to burn our villages, rape our woman (and no doubt men in some cases) and take slaves back with them before invading and forcing the indigenous population to live as you did – that is of course the Vikings… (please don’t say they were limited to Denmark….)

        3. He’s hardly derailing the discussion, you felt the need to bring your own prejudices to the table and indra felt the need to respond. It’s best not get pissy when your argument is flatter than an ironing board.

  25. I’m frankly appalled at some of the really mean, ignorant comments made here. I always thought MB users were a more educated, humane lot. Clearly I was mistaken.

    Cooper (not “Connor”) is still a child at 16. I don’t know who ever started the idea that childhood ends at puberty, but that idea is millennia out of date. With modern brain science, we know that the human brain does not fully mature until the early twenties – about 22-23 for girls, 23-24 for boys.

    Study after study has shown that until the maturational process is complete, kids tend to live in the moment, and are not able to fully comprehend consequences, even though they may know right from wrong.

    It’s why for most of the 20th century we treated minors differently, punishing bad behavior, but also giving them a chance to mature and learn from their mistakes, without ruining their entire lives.

    This whole business of treating kids like adults started with the so-called war on drugs in Los Angeles in the mid-90s with “zero-tolerance” policies aimed at hardened street gangs – not immature suburban kids with less than attentive parents. Politicians (as usual) pushed these “tough on crime” laws because it got them reelected, but without thinking of the wider consequences.

    Hard-nosed American judges seem to love the power trip that comes with tossing cute little middle-class white boys into prison. They’ve been doing it for the last 20 years, and it’s time for someone to put an end to this abuse of power.

    Children are NEVER adults – ever. Some need more tough love than others, but never adult punishment, and never without a solid effort toward rehabilitation.

    1. Finally, a voice of reason.

      There’s a reason we have a juvenile justice system, and juvenile prisons. I’m sick of prosecutors who constantly wave children into adult court, so they can say that they’re being “tough on crime.”

    2. ‘Children are NEVER adults – ever’ It could also be said that men NEVER grow up.
      ‘I always thought MB users were a more educated, humane lot’ I take it you don’t read the comments very often.

  26. The “kids” today are nothing more than thugs. This kid committed an adult crime that could have ended up much worse than it did. He knew what he was doing even if he didn’t contemplate the possible repercussions. It’s an old saying and often doesn’t get put into use enough, but, if you do the crime then don’t be surprised when you have to do the time. The obviously staged photo of the little darling does not sway me at all, and for those who are crying foul over the sentence put yourself in the position of the victims of this kid’s “mistake”.

    Sorry but no, no sympathy for this guy at all, let him do his time and maybe next time he will take a couple extra seconds to think about what an idiot he was and not re-offend.

    1. @Warreb
      “The “kids” today are nothing more than thugs.”

      That is a very broad statement. Some kids are thugs and many are not. This 16 y/o deserves a chance at rehabilitation which has been denied to him.

  27. I fully support Angela Davis and her current project to close all the prisons. There is no good whatsoever that comes from imprisoning a human.
    I too am completely appalled by the utter vindictiveness of many of the comments here.

    1. We don’t imprison humans. Just violent monsters like this druggie who engaged in a criminal conspiracy, committed a home invasion, an armed kidnapping, theft, and terrorism. Yeah, terrorism. Just ask his victims if they felt terrorized.

      And it’s not vindictiveness, it’s justice. If the punishment doesn’t fit the crime, then we are automatically valuing the criminal above his victim, which is why the death penalty is the only moral sentence for a murderer. Could the prisons be run better? Of course. But that’s an operational issue, not an incarceration issue.

      Everybody who wants to close the prisons should be asked to take in the convicts as housemates. Let the criminals live with YOU. I find it hilarious that you’re appalled. Stay appalled. Really, really appalled. Enjoy.

      1. OK, horselips, I will make one exception and say quite frankly that YOU belong in prison. Take your guns along with you too!

        1. Roger you are sounding like a politician, When you dont get your way, rather than present a valid counterpoint you just resort to mudslinging and name calling. If you disagree with horselips, state your case, dont just whimper.

          I personally don’t think the prison system (as it currently exists) is working effectively but am hard pressed to identify an appropriate alternative.

          1. An appropriate alternative might be to use the fence at the top of the cliff rather than the ambulance at the bottom. I dunno what the law is in America, but New Zealand is as stupid as a lot of other countries with its “anti-smacking” laws that basically criminalise parents for physically disciplining their kids. A swift boot up the arse for disobedience as a kid might just keep him out of jail later as a teen. Just my opinion anyway.

    2. I admire your sensibilities Roger but it sounds to me like you have never witnessed nor been a victim of violent crime. Wonder how many murderers and rapists reoffend in your perfect world. Some of the comments are vindictive but yours beggars belief.

    3. Angela D. is validly dealing with the prison/industrial complex concept, racial profiling and nonviolent drug offenses to list some.. Not everyone in prison, nor even a majority in the US, are bad people. Aside from that, There are many human predators. Some are “criminals” having been labeled as such, Many are in the military or law enforcement, Many gravitate to powerful or protected positions. They are all still predators or bad people. If the human species has changed in the past thirty thousand years, it has been away from living in cooperative groups(that still were violent) and into more competitive, domineering societies.

      1. The problem is more recent Sidog. It was about 10,000 years ago things went tits up when bright spark (perhaps extra-terrestrials) came up with agriculture. Humans are by nature nomadic hunter-gatherers. Agriculture meant settling in one place and small peaceful groups developed into huge groups. That’s when greed, jealousy, and the desire to conquer and rule began. The rest is history.

        1. @indra: Jared Diamond, “The Biggest Mistake in the history of the Human Race”.
          Also, the police are the biggest criminals in the USA by far. The government ignores the enormous crimes that banks and big business commit every day. They are in cahoots with each other. Until society starts drawing attention to the biggest crimes taking place in the world today, I will not take what say very seriously.

          1. I learnt a long time ago not to take ANYTHING too seriously, it serves me well

            1. “I learnt a long time ago not to take ANYTHING too seriously, ”

              Except me.

            2. lol and there’s me thinking you didn’t have a sense of humour. Such a wag

  28. For the tv program Andromeda : You can judge a society by the way it treats its pets and prisoners.

    The prison system is a business, not a system of justice.

  29. The prison industrial complex in america just hot out of hand badly and it needs to be smashed as soon as possible and as rigid as possible. It’s the biggest prison system on the planet, bigger than China or Russia.
    The majority of inmates is not white which shows how far the country has really made progress and is psychologically forced to slave labour.
    And this case is just unacceptable but nothing new,since the privatization of prisons, industry and judges work hand in hand to fill them up by any means.

    1. Right, because whites force minorities to be criminals. They have no responsibility for their own vicious actions at all.

      1. @ Cory
        “They have no responsibility for their own vicious actions at all.”
        ψ Seriously? So all the hard working, law abiding, tax contributing, family raising, minorities out there are just wasting their time and should just run rampant in the streets taking what they want?
        Man is responsible for his own actions no matter his circumstances; albeit it’s an incredibly rough road to hoe for many they have still managed to crawl out of the gutter per se and rise above it without ever resorting to violence or crime.
        Be less general in your statements when encompassing so many especially when speaking of the relative few. IMO

          1. @ Cory
            ☞Got Ü but sad part is that many believe in that stereotype, troublesome as that is…

  30. The following just might be enlightening for all of you “experts.”

    Coast to Coast AM

    “”tonight’s show
    1am – 5am ET
    10pm – 2am PT
    Prison Reform
    Sun 06-01
    First Half: Lawyer Doug Noll has been working with prisoners to change how they think and act in order to transform their neurochemistry and alter the negative outcomes in their lives. He’ll discuss how the “tough on crime” rhetoric is stuffing prisons with people who need rehabilitation not punishment.””

  31. Angela Davis is a 1960’s-style wacko who’s bat-shit crazy in her suggestion that prisons be done away with.

    And I have a **NEWSFLASH** for any of you idiots suggesting that convicts are poor victims of a racist U.S. society…. the vast majority of prisoners are BAD people!

    I also have a prediction.

    The poor little angel in this story better learn how to be a bottom during his stay in the Utah penile system, or he will soon find himself dead. Drop the soap and like it boy, and reflect on how you terrorized those people during your little home invasion.

    1. This kid is a rotten little b****rd and certainly no angel (despite his “adorable” photo…) who needs to be punished – but fairly. 2-3 years in a juvenile centre, yes – What he is getting, no. To say that he deserves rape because of his crimes is medieval and sick.

    2. @ jeffycrude
      Great malapropism there with your use of ‘penile ‘ in place of ‘penal’ even though of course you full well meant it.
      ❦Actually liked you better as your former self, that guy though crass and slightly cruel at times usually wasn’t straight up malicious but suppose you have your reasons; the nastiest queen award maybe?

      Good day to you Buttercup!

      1. @ Simon and Devil May Care

        I stand before you chastened and remorseful for having suggested that this young kid needs to be raped during his stay within the Utah penal system.

        My thoughts were with his terrorized victims, but his crime(s) would not warrant being brutalized in prison.

        Whether or not he deserves his sentence, I don’t know if it is appropriate or not, but he is hardly a victim here.

        1. @ My yea ole nemesis Mr.Jiffy-Pop!
          Alas I’ve heard contrite from you before yet it’s always been a double edged sword, leastwise when aimed at me!
          ❦Never really implied that young Cooper was a victim here other than in how the system had treated him after prosecution and also possible reasons this crime may have occurred with stupid definitely being on the table fer sure! A fair charge and matching sentence for the severity of the crime with proper incarceration thereafter would’ve been quite fine in my view.

          Do keep in mind that I’ve only used his name once before as I recall. I’ve specifically avoided putting a face to this boy and his crime while trying to deal only with teens, crime, and their subsequent incarceration.

          If anything young Cooper has struck a cord with milkboys readers and quite an eclectic mix it’s been; let’s give Josh 4 stars for bringing it to us and snapping things up round here!

          You have a Loverly Evening Mr.J- ツ…

  32. Far too many of the comments here are based in ignorance; the least tolerant of the judge’s sentence often being the most ignorant. The numbers don’t mean much unless you understand them. Two sentences of one to fifteen years don’t necessarily mean thirty years in prison. If the sentences are imposed concurrently- and while I don’t know if they are, a couple of news reports I’ve read appear to suggest this- then this young man could be free in as little as eight months with good behavior. He would remain in the custody of the Utah Department of Corrections, through their Probation and Parole Department, until the full sentence has run its course, but he would live freely in the community as long as he meets the conditions of his parole.

    The prison where he is serving his sentence does seem rather harsh for the offense and the youth of the offender, but even that may make sense if we fully understood the situation. Properly supervised, this young man should be safe at Unitah. It should also be an eye-opening experience for him. He’ll understand exactly what the rest of his life could look like if he steps out of line after release. Fifteen years of being very careful with his behavior should instill habits that will stick with him for the rest of his life. I’ve worked with young people transitioning out of prison and know that the vast majority who come out of low and medium security facilities fail to rehabilitate. They’ve just spent a year or two getting a hands-on course in more advanced criminal behaviors, found that the environment wasn’t intolerable, and usually find it harder to change their behaviors in the community than it might be to go back to prison.

    Critical European commenters really don’t understand the complexity of the diverse American society. Trying to impose standards in the community is much more challenging here than in your parochial environment. What works for you isn’t always as effective here. The size and diversity of the country is part of the reason that an effective solution in one community is far less effective in another. You can take the cute picture of the boy and his dog, print it off, and do anything with it that makes you feel good. We have to find a way to help this young man manage his behaviors so he can contribute to our society rather than continue to put some of us at risk with his maladaptive behaviors.

    1. Well he damn well better at least call you Mister Lips for cryin’ out loud!!

    2. ψ Mr.Horselips…you way too bad ass cool for that tender moniker you be more of a Hound From Hell who nobody best tangle with; especially silly little boys with guns that don’t work….シ
      Good Day to you! ƌℯѵιʟ♨

    1. So they are evil. Because there are good people and evil people, just like in super hero cartoons. And evil people want to do bad things because they are evil.

      On the picture in your link the kid looks like a typical asshole. Ad even without the picture nobody could deny he did an assholish thing. But the problem is on the other end: What is the best way to correct the mistake and keep it from happening again. The statistics clearly tell that your favourite method – punishing teenagers like grown-ups – does not work. It won’t lower crime in the future, it does not help the victim and it won’t keep the boy from doing it again, as it just pushes him further down the social ladder.

      A high crime rate does not mean that people are turning “evil”. It is simply a symptom for a bigger social problem a society is running into. Most likely several problems in combination. But it is so much easier just to punish someone instead of doing all this exhausting analyzing and problemsolving.

      1. @tape
        I don’t say the system is without flaws but I think a lot of people are forgetting the difference in cultures. If you lock a Brit up in a Scandinavian jail I would almost guarantee he would reoffend. Why wouldn’t he, life behind bars was cosy, so even if he was caught for his next crime he could just treat it as a holiday. Prison should be a deterrent not a sojourn. Once again the sentence is two counts of 1-15 years and I would imagine he will do little more than a year. Where he does it is immaterial. So what if he is in a prison that houses rapists and murderers, it doesn’t mean he will share a cell with one or even have any contact with them. He made a choice to hang around with armed robbers who were potential murderers, he is where he belongs….. for now at least.

  33. I admit, I was swayed by the cute innocent looking pic of Cooper with his dog. BUT if I was the victim in this home invasion told to lay on the floor with guns pointed at me, I don’t think I would see him all that cute and innocent at all. Maybe the judge felt the same way. Just saying.

    1. @ Heartboi
      ❦Heck, bet there were some cute innocent pictures of Jeffrey Dahmer too and look what he was up to in his formative years and where he ended up; lets just hope young Cooper has learned his lesson and will say ‘screw you guys I’m going home’ next time something stupid like this crosses his path. We can only wish him and his victims the best and hope for better things down the road for all…
      ☞Do keep in mind please that in no way am I implying that our protagonist here is anything even remotely like the ‘Milwaukee Cannibal’!

  34. I think it served Oscar Wilde right to get thrown in the slammer for breaking the law by having gay sex. The law is the law and I think I lot of these fags on Milkboys should be thrown in jail right now.

    1. I’m one of “these fags on Milkboys” and if we can all go to jail together, including the teens and twinks, count me in. It’d be a heck of a party, even if me and Penboy just got to watch.

      1. “It’d be a heck of a party, even if me and Penboy just got to watch.”

        Speak for yourself only, thank you. I’ll be damned if I’m only “going to watch”. :-)

    2. Damn, where the hell do you come from A. Douglas??? At the moment I’m hoping you are just being sarcastic. If not then go away.

    3. ❦”One of the many lessons that one learns in prison is, that things are what they are and will be what they will be.”
      Oscar Wilde

  35. Seems odd that you would side with a mindless troll obviously trying to sling insults as opposed to posting an intellectual arguement. When my kids revert to pointless insults they usually get sent to bed.

  36. Right, so I guess the world can criticize everything that happens in the U.S. for the next decade because our former president started a dumb war, cool. I guess it’s time to give up social media.

    1. Which former president started a pointless war? I thought most of them had

      1. As a citizen of the UK, you have absolutely no room to talk. Not only is your dark history full of violent world conquest, but your recent war history is identical to ours. You have followed us into every engagement in the past 70 years, and you cannot possibly take the sidekick persona, unless of course you believe the UK is a mindless puppet. The cold truth is that the UK is just as responsible for NATO foreign policy as the US, so you can step down from your high horse. You would think all of that culture and rich history in Europe would inspire some humility, but apparently not…

        1. What is it with Americans that they can’t take a little harmless ribbing. You would think with that lack of culture and no history they would at least have developed a sense of humour, but apparently not…

          1. indra, you simply don’t inspire anyone to be humorous. “Pathetic” would be a more suitable description of your comments.

            1. Uncompromising and a little belligerent maybe. Pathetic? Hmm I was going to correct Cory and say we didn’t follow the USA to another mindless war in Vietnam as far as I know and I think the Cuban missile crisis, invasion of Panama and stuff like that is irrelevant. Instead I went for jocularity but you lot are too paranoid to see it. I suppose you are entitled to your opinion Malcolm however ‘pathetic’ it may be just as I am mine.

            2. We’re paranoid? I think you would be a bit defensive too if you constantly had to deal with arrogant limeys giving their uninvited opinion of our politics, especially considering most have probably never set foot on American soil and the extent of their news resources likely don’t exceed Daily Mail. You have no idea how unbelievably hypocritical you all sound the majority of the time anyway. I could go on for days about your chav culture takeover, or your 64% of Brits on benefits, or your swaths of council estate housing that seem to be absolutely everywhere. But instead I worry about myself, especially when I am in England as a guest. The sad thing is that both countries are beautiful places with very similar people who could be great friends, but instead you would rather antagonize.

            3. You are more likely to be a victim of crime in America than Britain. Also I have been to America many times and made a lot of friends. I found Americans to be warm welcoming people although the plastic smiles and the insincere ‘have a nice day’ was a bit of an irritant. You know very little about our culture or you wouldn’t take things to heart. 64%? a tad high but apparently our benefits system is the envy of the world judging by the number of people trying to move in. I have no beef with America or its people although I will state you have more than your fair share of idiots (as do we) and it is those I usually find myself at odds with. As for paranoia, you are paranoid about sex, religion, politics, and whether little green men will invade. Don’t even go there.

            4. “You are more likely to be a victim of crime in America than Britain.”

              Ya think? Particularly since the USA has OVER 6 TIMES the population of Britain. And then add to that, our asinine religious laws favoring gun ownership (including terrorist weapons of choice). So, yeah, we are more likely to be a victim of crime than you islanders.

            5. ‘our asinine religious laws favoring gun ownership’
              Well I never thought I would see the day. I actually learnt something from Penboy. I wasn’t aware it was ‘religious laws’, surely that is a paradox when the commandments state quite clearly ‘thou shalt not kill’. Hasn’t anybody over there picked up on that?

  37. As others have pointed out, the article is inaccurate to call the offense “nonviolent”. To display a weapon during a robbery (or even verbally threaten someone) is violent. Bank robbery by written note is considered good for 10 years in federal prison (and not club Fed) in the US. I’m not saying the sentence is fair, particularly in comparison to the other perpetrators. While supplying the weapon is certainly a very bad thing, using it was equally bad. If the gun had bullets in it during the robbery, I have little compassion for them. If they really were dumb kids (yes they were dumb and stole a cel phone, $10 and some smoke, geez) they would have taken the bullets out so no one could get hurt (I know of situations like that) and I would have more feeling for them. I had a friend, a very “cool”, gentle and nice person deliberately murdered for the fun of it by a 17 yr old robber, after my friend gave up his $12 without arguing.

  38. I am curious, are the other kids that received a less harsh sentence black, or South-American? That would explain a lot of things.

    Also, what is the gender and racial/ethnic/religious background of the judge?

  39. Judge is trying to reform plea bargain law using this poor kid as a sacrificial lamb. Or Judge is a pure evil prick like most all Judges today.

  40. Oh, just as I thought, the other kids were a black kid and a Mexican kid.
    Clearly the white kid is too privileged.
    This is just a case of justly applied affirmative action.
    Nothing to see here folks.

  41. Julian, it in Utah so it comes down to religion. If you or not Mormon in good standing (pay your tithing). I bet the church step with the other boys.

    1. No, actually, the judge is Jewish.
      Not surprised.
      Must have also told the kid to “check his white privilege”.

      I like how black and latino kids that rob people at gun point get only 1 year in prison, probation, etc, while white kids that at best could be charged with misdemeanor is charged with 15 to 30 years in a maximum security prison.

      According to this judge a 16 year old kid should be thrown in maximum security prison for 15 years for aiding and abetting robbery.

      1. QUOTE:> According to this judge a 16 year old kid should be thrown in maximum security prison for 15 years for aiding and abetting robbery.

        AHEM, it wasn’t just a robbery. it was an armed home invasion, kidnapping, and terrorism, as well as theft, and illegal possession of a controlled substance. The only thing separating this team of organized thugs from Al Capone is murder and tax evasion. Give ‘em time, they’ll get there. Better yet, just GIVE ‘EM TIME, and a lot of it. A lot of time, for all of them, regardless of their ethnicity. Let’s judge them, and punish them, based on the content of their character. If there was such a thing as a character meter we could stick up their butts, it would read “zero.”

  42. How about federal hate crimes, he manipulated those disadvantaged minorities into crime.

  43. 164 posts (so far)! Think maybe this subject touched a few nerves? :-)

    Actually, it’s good to see an active thread like this. Keep it up!

  44. I like how brainwashed ‘muricans mutter “terrorism” under their breath when they instinctively protect their fascist Federal Government. Just goes to show that the brainwashing, the propaganda, worked.

    1. Do you even know what fascism is? If you think this country is fascist then you clearly don’t pay much attention to American politics; specifically state politics. You sound like a petulant child throwing that word around. Isn’t there anything going on in Romania for you to complain about?

      1. Well said ….. to another who seems to think that being anti-American is the same as “politically correct”.

  45. There is no excuse for putting a 16 year old in such a place, America shows once again why we should stay far away from their kind of system.

    1. There is no excuse whatsoever for putting anyone in prison. It is a symptom of a bankrupt society.

      1. “One out of 100 citizens of the U.S. is going to prison, and it’s not that the system is making criminals, it’s that it’s making criminals better criminals. We’re breeding them like rats and it has to change.”
        Val Kilmer

    2. That’s funny considering German prisons frequently host American and British prisoners.

  46. Well, let’s see if we can break the 200-mark.

    I hope Josh follows up on the progress of this kids prison time… and when he may actually stand to be released.

    b/t/w, I wonder how the victims are doing these days?

    1. Victims or victim? I thought the criminal was the victim in this case. Oh you mean those idiots that allowed their house to be broken into by a bunch of gun-toting cute boys….. who cares?

  47. This will psychologically destroy him. Shutting a child away in a room for providing means for others to commit a crime, punishing him in a way they would to some serial-cannibal. I don’t want to live on this planet anymore.

    1. It will psychologically destroy the victims whom I imagine must jump every time a floorboard creaks. The difference is they were minding their own business when this thug and his friends burst in.

        1. Gives the victims assurance he and his friends won’t visit again for a while

          1. Seems to me like a rather flawed concept to keep everybody locked up, who could commit a crime. Also – why let him out ever again since after that logic he will be commit the next crime anyway. I have the feeling that you don’t get the philosophie behind it at all.

            1. If the little bastard is “psychologically destroyed” in what will actually be a very short time in prison – probably a year or so, who cares?! That’s why they make shrinks and therapies. He’ll recover, and a lot faster than the memory of his actions will move to the mental back burner of his victims. The more this kid suffers, the more he is reminded of just how much damage he caused, the more the horror of his act sinks in, and teaches him to consider the consequences of what the does, and with whom, the better. He might just exit the criminal justice system with a conscience. It’ll be about time.

              I am reminded of Alexander Ulyanov, the older brother of Vladimir Lenin. For conspiring to assassinate Tsar Alexander III, he and his co-conspirators were arrested by the Okhrana, tried for treason and convicted. The Tsar visited Ulyanov in prison. After a short interview, the Tsar said, “as a Chrisitian, I can forgive you, but as Tsar of All The Russias, I cannot.” (Ulyanov and five others of his murderous gang were hanged.)

              I’m all for rehabilitation, forgiveness and repentance – but after I’ve gotten even first.

            2. As stated in another comment, I am not saying I think the system is right, but atm it is better than the alternative. My strategy would not be so much rehabilitating offenders, I would rather implement measures in homes and at schools on prevention rather than cure, teaching moral values, empathy, and consequence. One problem today is kids having kids, I have lived in some areas where social deprivation is so bad it is hard to imagine in ‘civilised’ society. That is another problem, some people in this country have their heads stuck up their arses and have no idea the hardship suffered by others through no fault of their own. The rich get richer and the poor get poorer. The solution is relatively easy, stop building bombs and use the money to improve living standards and industry. America alone spends $900 billion on weapons and ‘defence’.

  48. I don’t know about how some of you guys can think otherwise, but i think this boy is fucking cute and no boy this cute should be locked up like that. In fact, i wouldn’t even mind if he shoots me dead !

    But that’s just me, who likes bad boys and has a bit of a death wish

    1. @ƊƦAƊƐƝ
      “But that’s just me, who likes bad boys and has a bit of a death wish” ☞Glad you’re at the end of this thread with that comment boy as this has been a heated one..
      ❦Me I prefer just cute not bad, though sometimes I’m with you on the other yet you better knock that off!
      ♥There’s someone out there for you that’ll treat you right and he won’t be a bad boy, least I hope not!

  49. I sort of think he will leave prison as a bottom.

    just sayin’

      1. @ Indra
        That’s an inference ‘not’ based on evidence on hand no matter what some may wish or hope for young Cooper!

        ❦Had he been inclined that way and it was presented as such in this post I dare say the slant of these comments may have been slightly different but even without most attempted not to see him as a individual person per se but more so as any average teen.

        Indeed in trouble for a particularly nasty crime that could have involved some serious time especially concidering the state was so willing to auto-upgrade to adult court at the drop of a hat and prosecute as such.

        There’s really no need to rehash it this late in the game but thought it needed mentioned…no contention intended other than young Cooper’s sexuality which I do realize was made in jest with a certain animosity on your part towards our young felon in question.

        1. You are correct it was made in jest but it was without animosity. It is clear ‘Brit humour’ doesn’t translate across the pond. I won’t re-hash this either but to clarify concisely. I don’t like what he did, I don’t like the sympathy afforded him, and I don’t like the ridiculous length of sentence (although I suspect he will do little more than a year).

  50. Well… I feel like breaking the 200 mark, so here we go boys.

    yippeeee……

  51. Comments are closed since some people didn’t manage to keep it civil.

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